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For a moment my perception of Microsoft was that it has become a cool company (github acquisition, Linux Sub-sytem). I was impressed by how Satya Nadella turned the company around (at least in terms of image).

Between Recall and the mandatory account login to install Windows 10 I am progressively reverting to how I felt about them.



> For a moment my perception of Microsoft was that it has become a cool company

I think that they've been trying very hard to give out that image without really changing who they are.

It's not the first time that they try hard to look like they've changed, and it won't be the last.


Yes. Marketing. In the end, they are working for decision makers who can spend money.

Typical IT guy (not head) cannot spend money without 3 approvals from different departments.


I think 'parts of' microsoft really did become cool.

In developers world, pushing open source, or in gaming - xbox game pass is just best value that there is.

But for every cool department, there also exists one that still behaves as a predatory corpo. And it seems to me like their main target are 'normie' users.


Microsoft is ultimately a for-profit publicly-owned company, and are motivated to increase shareholder value. Being perceived as cool by the open-source community might play into that in some ways, but ultimately there isn't any revenue there.


Tracking and ads integrated by default into the OS, who cares. But they did something with open source, they must have become nice!

And the linux subsystem, well, for me a textbook example of:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extingu...

So sorry, they were never cool to me. I still use them, but if I must switch to win 11 soon, I might take that as an opportunity to finally cut loose my last dependencies with windows.


More than 60% of Azure is run on Linux [1] and the writing was already on the wall when the Linux subsystem was conceived so I don't think it's a good example of EEE.

[1] https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/products/virtual-machines/...


> I don't think it's a good example of EEE

Not yet, they're still on the "embrace" step.


With WSL they are absolutely at the "extend" step.


Notably, there are some passthrough APIs to extend the captive Linux with Windows features.


It's somewhat hard to find, so lest anyone thinks I'm making it up, here are two things I have heard of - DirectX passthrough and (probably related) DirectML passthrough

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/directx-heart-linux/

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ai/directml/pytorc...


Ah, I didn't know about that. I stand corrected, WSL is at the "extend" stage.


> Tracking and ads integrated by default into the OS, who cares. But they did something with open source, they must have become nice!

> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


This is another nail in the coffin for me, as a life long Windows user. My next install is Linux single boot.


I said on HN just a few days ago:

“The only good thing about Recall is that it has been the definitive decider of moving away from Microsoft permanently because for them to create such a ‘feature’ shows a complete lack of care about people’s private data - they’ll be leaving a huge jackpot prize for anyone who breaks into a system.”

And only 4 days later, it is shown.


I've just installed and configured KDE Neon Plasma 6 and I'm really liking it a lot. Feels closer to Windows than my other Ubuntu and Xubuntu installs.

Just my 2p


Found a fellow Brit


^ probably one of the top 5 unsubstantial things fellow countrymen say to eachother on HN


the coffin is nothing but nails at this point.


good, it'll be more likely to sink when we all collectively chuck it in the lake


GitHub became the data source for OpenAI Codex and GitHub Copilot not long after it was acquired.

The #1 merit of Nadella is pushing for increased accessibility.


Microsoft desperately wants those sweet, sweet recurring revenue streams they can get from advertising and selling personal user data. Forcing login was step 1. Recall is step 2.


lol they never really sold me on it. WSL1 with its nano processes is neat, but Teams is a disgusting mess and MS has been rather consistent with treating their users like cattle.


I think the presence of WSL has made MSFT devs move to Linux for their own serious work, making Windows proper a somewhat abandoned platform.


Why is Recall something that would revert your opinion? It’s a feature that provides value to the customer first and foremost.




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