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Family of Boeing whistleblower John Barnett speaks out following his death (cbsnews.com)
108 points by hotdailys 10 months ago | hide | past | favorite | 21 comments



This whole thing reminds me of Omar on The Wire. Whether they killed him with the gun or the briefcase makes no difference. Fuck Boeing - I hope they face justice for all of this.

https://youtu.be/yu3qIakos9k?si=LxK1KU7USVAwoFNV


Number one rule for apparent gunshot suicides: swab the hands and test for gunpowder residue.

Amateur assassins always screw that part up and I bet Boeing skimped on the contract.


That came up in the case of psychologist Robert Moore. It was reported that he shot his wife and then himself, but gunpowder residue was found on her hands, not his.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_L._Moore_(psychologist)


It’s wild that we are speculating that this was a contract killing. Or revenge killing of some sort.

Is it possible he did to himself so Boeing would be made responsible ?

Not of murder I mean, just made responsible for all the safety and engineering violations he talked about.


It's wild that people find such an idea unthinkable.

The dude was suing Boeing for their retaliatory actions against him in an effort to shut him up about the safety violations he was in the middle of testifying about.

Just in 2022 there was a case of murder-for-hire of a whistleblower at a contract tree-cutting service in Georgia [0].

It's not common, and we shouldn't presume guilt, but it's very far from unprecedented.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Eliud_Montoya


Why is that wild? Witness dies in the middle of testifying against X - seems perfectly reasonable to wonder about whether X had anything to do with it. Given Boeing's seeming lack of regard for human safety in recent years (which was also the subject of the testimony if I understand correctly), I don't see any reason to think Boeing would consider murder out of bounds.


Occam’s razor. I’d imagine the gap between organization level negligence and contract killing is wider than you think. Don’t get me wrong, they might have a big responsibility in the death but we won’t know that for a while, if ever. Don’t spread these wild rumours though unless you have something to base them on.


Boeing's systemic disregard for safety and law are not wild rumors. While the full extent is still being uncovered, we know enough to say it happened.


Not what I said. I was talking about the death being murder being the rumor.


Speculating that something could be possible is not spreading a rumor. The only claim they made was that Boeing disregarded human safety.


In that case I’d say it’s far more likely he suffered tremendously from the position he found himself in and wanted to end his life to stop his suffering.

But my money is on Boeing having leaned on him to such a degree that he saw no way out.


Large corrupt corporations are only slightly better than organized crime.

What does organized crime do with inconvenient witnesses?


It's wild to comprehend what you supposed when one entity is an actual person and another is a corporation


Not that wild. It's not like Boeing would convene a board meeting and take a vote, "should we hire a contract killer to eliminate this threat?"

When a company hires a killer to kill somebody, it is almost always[1] one person, or perhaps in rare cases a couple people, within the company who do it to protect themselves and what they have, or what hope to get, or sometimes, sure, for revenge or because they're nuts. Just like when natural people hire people to kill people.

That's why I liked the movie Michael Clayton. It was the only realistic[2] movie about that scenario.

Alternatively, sure — your scenario is also quite plausible. Who knows? Not us. But neither scenario, nor the other "Boeing or some subset thereof leaned on him so hard without actually doing murder, and maybe even without actually doing anything criminal, that he thought his life was effectively ruined and so killed himself" seems "wild" to me. All plausible.

[1]: source: it's obvious

[2]: regarding the actual mechanics of "how 'a company hires killers to kill somebody' works" — not necessarily the rest; it's still a Hollywood movie


After reading about the amateurs at eBay, I'm perfectly willing to entertain the idea that a large corporation who deals in military contracts might just take things one step further. Sure, I fully admit that I'm letting movie plots run wild in my head here, but I'm not ruling out the possibility. What, you think Rudolf Diesel just fell off that boat, too?

But it is all just conspiratorial at this point. Whether Diesel was pushed or fell, we'll never know and unfortunately won't for John Barnett, either.



I've never heard this before.. absolutely wild, thanks for sharing.


I have just learned about it too. eBay agreed to pay $3 million.

https://www.wbur.org/news/2024/01/11/settlement-reached-in-e...


The military industrial complex connection is potentially pretty significant. Any number of players may have been motivated to bring the noise level down or keep certain things out of the public eye, and it’s not that much of a stretch to go from selling killing to buying just a little bit.


America is a third world country, this is the confirmation.


More like a 0th world country - Once the 1st first world country, now on the downward slide into corruption and collapse. Other 1st world countries to follow




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