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The Coprophagic AI Crisis (pluralistic.net)
44 points by MrVandemar 10 months ago | hide | past | favorite | 9 comments



This article has 2 major problems:

1) It seems to somewhat conflate "more power" and "an order of magnitude more training data". I don't think there is any particularly strong evidence that more training data is the key. We know from things like AlphaGo that AIs are using training data very inefficiently. Humans learn to play grandmaster level Go with many less games than it takes a computer; arguably orders of magnitude less data. We need better graphics cards/chips.

2) The evidence to date is that every time we add an order of magnitude more FLOPS we get transformative improvements in performance. AI can now make a decent-enough attempt at every field of endeavour humans are active in; including arguably superhuman performance at artistic work and being much better read and more reasonable conversationalists than the average person. It is quite challenging to name a field of endeavour where AI isn't becoming superhuman in practice, let alone in theory with enough computational power to call on.

At this point I think the onus is very much on the people who think AI won't improve to justify themselves. This is the most obvious trend I've seen in my lifetime.


> than the average person

This is where a lot of intuition founders, and comically bimodally. You get some folks saying "look! it already performs at level comparable with a community-college graduate in DEI studies, imagine what it will do in a decade!" and the other tranche saying "lol it's easily confused, fails basic reasoning, and everyone is spending their time on alignment and it's going nowhere".

Tangentially, my favorite AI-choker is to ask it to derive the payload capacity of a self-landing ballistic rocket. "Remember to think step-by-step!"


To derive the payload capacity of a self-landing ballistic rocket, we need to consider several factors and steps in the analysis. Let's break it down step by step:

Step 1: Define the Requirements We need to establish the basic requirements and factors that influence the payload capacity:

Rocket Parameters:

Total mass of the rocket (M_total) Mass of the rocket without payload (M_empty) Mass of fuel (propellant) required for landing (M_fuel) Specific Impulse of the rocket (Isp)

Payload:

Desired payload mass (M_payload) Rocket Equation:

The Rocket Equation will be fundamental to our analysis:

............... ............. ........... ........... .................. ............. ............

So, with the given parameters, the payload capacity of the self-landing ballistic rocket is approximately 9,790 kg. This is the maximum mass of payload it can carry and still be able to perform a controlled landing.


For the life of me, I can't tell if you're joking.


Will it become better at art ?


Not for a very long time. Post-modernism is the most recent popular "better" art movement but since it is de-constructive instead of constructive it is running out of fuel to burn. The only "better" direction left to take art in is to construct an "up", which would mean AI basically had a concept of a spiritual life.


> cyberpunk is a warning, not a suggestion

In a subverted version of the spirit of "I will do anything to make cyberpunk a reality," I would really like to generate choice AI botshit at scale for the purpose of gumming up the machines.

And not SEO'd private label articles meant to turn a profit botshit, but insane nonsense and clear falsehoods botshit. Code with bugs botshit. The kind of stuff that will lead to non-hallucination hallucenations in LLMs.


Surprising certainly not me, given my username, but: precisely this is a plot point in Anathem.


Just playing Devil’s Advocate here, but we assume that AI consuming AI-generated content is going to inherently hurt the next generation of AI training.

But I’d argue that good AI content is more valuable training data than bad human content. The problem is not the source but the quality.




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