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Monkey head mushrooms work really well as a texture replacement for chicken, and cooked unripe jackfruits work really well as a texture replacement for pulled pork. I'm vegetarian and make use of both.

Unfortunately they both sorely lack in protein content, so for a meal to be balanced, the protein needs to be made up through other parts of a dish. I'm slightly skeptical about how much protein the fungi in TFA produce.




Cooked unripe jackfruit is a very popular ingredient where I come from, but we typically combine it with smoked pork or chicken. It's very very yummy.

I wouldn't say the texture resembles pulled pork though. Maybe visually if you squint a little.

The main challenge with unripe jackfruit is that it's difficult to cut and prepare without making a mess. There's a sort of extremely sticky glue that comes out of it. It will ruin your kitchen if you're unprepared. It's best to buy it at the market where it has been freshly cut and sliced for you.


Oh where is that?

I very much enjoyed Nasi Gudeg in Yogyakarta, Indonesia where it is also treated as a traditional ingredient rather than a meat replacement.


Reunion island.

The food there is a very interesting mix of French, Chinese, Malaysian, Vietnamese, Indian and Malagasy cuisine. Pretty unique.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Réunion


ooh you've piqued my interest - i doubt it exists - but is there a book/resource which talks about - has recipes for this culture's cuisine?


This isn’t mushrooms; this stuff can be quite high in protein. Some discussion here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycoprotein#Sensory,_Nutrition...


"Balanced" meals are not necessary and probably not optimal anyway.

Balanced diets are important, but your digestion and satiety are almost certainly better served by varying what they're tasked with for individual meal.


Just in general interest, I'm not a vegan or vegetarian, why would you want, as a vegetarian, food that is like meat? Or even tastes like meat?


Because you like the taste, but don't want to exploit animals.

It's also a good way to start of with veganism, because you don't need to instantly replace all of your old recepies.


Various dishes are designed with a meat component, where the texture or flavour works well. Pulled pork for example would have the same flavour blended into a soup but wouldn't work as well for burritos that way.


- You like meat, but don’t want to eat it for ethical reasons.

- You like meat, but don’t want to eat it for religious reasons.

- You like meat, but don’t want to eat it for environmental/sustainability reasons (this is arguably a subset of the ‘ethical reasons’ one)

- You like meat, but it is too expensive (expect this one to get more common as water shortages and emissions reduction initiatives bite; it takes a _hell_ of a lot of water to produce a kilo of beef…)

- You like meat, but it is too high-risk (we keep having these run-ins with zoonotic diseases, you will note; what if cows are an ideal carrier for the next COVID? If we were in the habit of eating mustelids we’d probably already be having that conversation.)

I mean, there are _lots_ of potential reasons.


I am a vegetarian, and I don’t.

If I order a veg burger, and I can’t tell if it is meat or not, I might be getting meat. And tbh after decades of no meat, I’m not interested. All y’all can eat whatever you want, it’s just not for me.

Other vegetarians/vegans feel differently. It’s not always a logical thing, food is so primal that explanations only go so far.


There are many reasons one might choose to be vegetarian beyond disliking the flavour and/or texture of meat.


Protein considerations are largely a myth. You'll get your proteins unless you go out of your way to avoid them, you don't need them in every meal unless you're a bodybuilder or something.


Protein needs are not a myth, and are backed by some of the most extensive research in the nutrition field. See for example examine.com: https://examine.com/guides/protein-intake. The recommended amounts are far higher than most people get.

As mentioned down-thread, gaining and maintaining muscle mass is not just for bodybuilders, it's incredibly important as we age to maintain quality of life. Sarcopenia as a result of disuse is one of the plagues of our modern times, and contributes to huge quality of life declines as we age.


You'll get your proteins without even trying, as long as you're eating a somewhat normal diet. Look at the table in your own link titled "Combining incomplete proteins". Just don't eat only the one thing all the time and you'll be fine.


I’m fairly active, and currently losing some weight, both of which raise my requirements, but it’s not like some sort of niche use case. I track what I eat using an app with a reliable macronutrient database, so the incidental protein is all accounted for. I can assure you that getting anywhere near the recommended amount doesn’t happen by accident, unless I massively blow my calorie budget.


"Cutting" isn't a normal diet. Weight lifters do track their macros more closely to make sure they're getting enough protein on a caloric deficit. It's very easy to starve yourself "the wrong way" while doing it. It's absolutely niche. Of 300 million Americans, during an obesity epidemic, how many do you think are cycling bulking and cutting?

It's ridiculously easy to get your recommended daily averages even as a vegetarian without thinking about it. Rice and beans? Complete amino acid profile. Same with bread and butter. But let's get into statistics and leave the anecdata behind us! Most Americans are consuming double their recommended protein intake, but half the fiber: https://www.deseret.com/2024/1/30/24055585/americans-eating-...


It's not surprising that that article thinks that people are getting twice their daily requirements, if it claims that men need 56g/day. Really? A 50kg man and a 120kg man have the same protein requirements?

Aside from that, there is plenty of evidence that the RDA is woefully insufficient, e.g.:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9963165/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26960445/

That second article says in its summary: "Current evidence indicates intakes in the range of at least 1.2 to 1.6 g/(kg·day) of high-quality protein is a more ideal target for achieving optimal health outcomes in adults". That's slightly lower than Examine's figure of 1.2 to 1.6, but whatever. Even assuming the lower figure of 1.2, 56g would be sufficient for a 46.7kg man. I don't know many of them.

That's just after a 30 second search. I can't find the study right now, but if you lock people in a metabolic ward and only give them the RDA of protein, they lose muscle mass. It's not even sufficient for maintenance.

I'm not a bodybuilder, and I'm not "cutting", I'm just losing some weight and want to make sure that what I lose is fat, not muscle. Again, maintaining muscle is about much more than bodybuilding, maintaining basic strength is essential to living a pain- and restriction-free life. I'm more systematic than most because I know that makes it more effective, but wanting to lose weight is not a niche use case. I'm also trying to get my parents to eat more protein because they're older and there's plenty of evidence that their needs are higher, and it's very difficult for them as vegetarians (partly because they resist lifestyle change, admittedly).


If you don't have a habit of eating meat every day, it's pretty easy to eat a low protein diet. So you have to try and keep track of it, especially if you are vegetarian and even more so if you are vegan.


Or unless you care about maintaining muscle mass, which should be either #1 or #2 on your list if you care about lifespan and healthspan (the other one being cardiovascular fitness).


Do people just not know about vegan/vegetarian body builders?

Forget about humans. Do you think a horse has problems maintaining muscle mass? We're opportunistic scavengers. We run on nearly anything.


Do you think vegan/vegetarian bodybuilders don't care about protein intake?


Basically the problem with focusing on protein is people will tend to eat more meat, which has terrible cardiovascular consequences, rather than what they should be doing which is varying their nutrition, not analyzing a single food for its protein content. Don't eat just the one food, people.


I never understood this. Cows make protein from eating grass. I assume that we can do much of the same.


Different organisms have different metabolic pathways. Humans are unable to synthesize 9 of the 21 most common amino acids, and must acquire them from food. To learn more, look up "Essential Amino Acid".


Cows do it by having a complicated multiple-chambered stomach full of specialized bacteria that can digest cellulose -- basically a natural chemical engineering facility.

Humans don't have that.


Maybe we should genetically engineer humans to be more like cows, instead of genetically engineering mold to be more like meat. ;)


Why would you assume our bodies work like cow bodies? We are very different animals.




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