Postman inhabits this weird niche where it was tons of value when it was free, and now it's wildly not worth the price. The only thing keeping us on Postman was inertia, which this year's invoice has finally sprung us out of, and we're switching to Bruno.
I worry that Bruno will go the same way, as that's also what Insomnia did.
Can't believe we almost switched to that to get away from Postman. At this point, I'd rather have a text file full of curl commands, because httpie looks about ready to spring an Enterprise tier as well.
And what is wrong with (a well-structured hierarchy of folders containing) text files (i.e. scripts) full of curl commands? You can also track and version them in git, automate them, etc.
Genuinely asking of course, because I never got the "point" of Postman vs. curl, except maybe for non-technical people.
It really feels something so simple that in the end mostly open source free tool done as hobby could do most of the functionality. Leveraging some existing open source tool...
A $5.6B valuation means that Postman is about as valuable as Reddit ($6.4B). There might be an alternative simulated universe in which this makes sense, but it is not ours. Unfortunately, the market can stay irrational longer than I can stay solvent, so I won't short Postman if it will be listed sometime in the future, but damn, I would really like to do so.
Valuations are silly and comparing them apples-to-apples rarely makes that much sense. It's just some numbers on a paper, there's no real "value" there.
Because I can set it up and share it with my team and quickly onboard new members to our REST API from any environment in less than a few buttons. Any setup needed is already in the pre request script field of the collection.
If I wanted to share different versions of the request I can do so via postman’s code tab.
I would say this adds tremendous value over a jupyter script.
Before finding out about Bruno, I've used HTTPie or curl (curl mostly out of muscle memory, since HTTPie is really new to me), because of how atrocious the UX in Postman is now.
And this is coming from someone who generally prefers GUIs, and I even liked Postman a few years ago.
Right clicking, or installing an extra tool is much less friction than using Postman
I had so much fun at Twilio signal the year that Tony hawk was there and OK GO played … Great open bar and fantastic catering.
I have no idea what postman is or what people use it for but what’s the point of living in the bay area in 2024 if you’re not taking advantage of this excess?
"Celebrate at our after-party with a performance by six-time Grammy winner and multi-platinum recording artist T-Pain. Conference-goers will stroll to the historic August Hall to enjoy evening drinks, our own bowling alley, and an unforgettable live show."
And Postman describes themselves as:
"Postman is an API platform for building and using APIs. Postman simplifies each step of the API lifecycle and streamlines collaboration so you can create better APIs—faster."https://www.postman.com
So, I don't know. Enterprise sales gonna enterprise sell? It's part of the game...
Switched two years ago from Postman to Insomnia. Now Insomnia is also adding lots of logins and paid stuff and I am switching to Bruno. So far it seems great!
> Connect with fellow API practitioners and global tech leaders
ahahahah
on the plus side, we should be grateful they're safely incinerating so much money from VCs - far far far worse companies could have got it and done far worse things than buying T-Pain a new Bentley.
I worked on a couple teams (contract - 3-6 months at a stretch), and teams had postman licenses for everyone - assuming it was some enterprise-type deal.
No developers used it. We all had access to it, but none used it (well, none did in the several months I was there). I guess some used it at some point, but it was primarily a tool some testers used, from what I could tell. Now... devs needed access to it to help answer questions from time to time, and I guess... 'using it' would be to put some new endpoint info in some collection, then grant access to it, but it wasn't anything helping out any developers day to day. But the companies paid for full licensing for everyone anyway - perhaps that's just easier in some sense? I guess that's the game?
I think the developer productivity tooling market exists at such high valuation because no one has really any useful metrics in that space.
I’ve worked in firms where we’ve bought into ideas that are absolutely based on cognitive dissonance - like the business cases across initiatives collectively achieving a >100% reduction in “inefficiencies”. That tells me at least some of those business cases are wrong but they’re all getting investment.
Store simple text information (http requests method, uri, headers and content) in an obfuscated form (the json file for collections) that doesn't feel right to be put under version control, but that often needs to be.
Which is why I use IntellIJ's HTTP client.
Worse is Postman wants you to share collections on their SaaS thing that doesn't add any value to me over my Git host or my company's.
Yeah, the built in http client is 'good enough' for most needs I have. I posted another comment about the collection stuff I saw at some companies - tended to be used by testers to validate stuff, keep notes about their testing, etc. Perhaps that was some value for them and how they worked, but it was no value add for anyone on the dev teams I've worked on - it was basically ignored, even though we were paying for the seats.
I think I'm getting to be a crotchety old greybeard because I had the experience of being offered a Postman license at work only to say, "no thanks - curl does everything I need". Like it does have some nice convenience features and all that, but curl just does exactly what I need usually.
makes HTTP requests, with a lot of tooling around it. it's a nice idea, but (like almost everything) has been poisoned by a bunch of dumb venture capitalists driving a dumptruck of money up to the company and telling them to destroy the value the product provided.
The first artist to use Auto Tune for a distinct effect (rather than just pitch correction) was Cher in her 1998 single Believe. Only a year after Auto Tune was released.
T-Pain absolutely was the one who popularized it through. To the point that among the general public "Auto Tune" is associated more with "electronic voice effects" than it is with "pitch correction."
I get that it’s funny and a bit ridiculous, what I don’t get is the reaction “that’s what a company valued a $Xb does, it’s awful”. And really, it’s just a company organizing a party with a famous (I guess?) artist.
I worry that Bruno will go the same way, as that's also what Insomnia did.