On: Virtualenv is an antipattern

[kevinburke]

Off the top of my head the Heroku quickstart, the pip installer, and the Django quickstart all tell you you should use it.

[batista → kevinburke]

Off the top of my comment above, I said:

"To people that already know some Python and want to write a web app, yes, but I don't think I ever saw a "Starting out learning Python? Then use virtualenv" advice."

People tackling Django and Heroku are not Python beginners. They have to at least know the basics first...

Even pip is not something for a first-time Python use to use. Before he gets to use third-party modules he has to learn the basics of the language, syntax etc. Have you seen any introductory Python book (Learning Python, etc) starting with the installation of third party stuff via Pip?

[danellis → batista]

Hae you been in #django? Lots of them are beginners not just to Django, but to Python too,

[batista → danellis]

Well, they should not start with Django then. First learn your tuples and lists et all.

But if they have to start to learn Python with Django (or just want to), then virtualenv is the list of their worries.

They will have to deal with lots more stuff to build and deploy their webapp for it to matter.