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Windows-as-a-nuisance: How I clean up a "clean install" of Windows 11 and Edge (arstechnica.com)
55 points by WhyUVoteGarbage 7 months ago | hide | past | favorite | 38 comments



I use OOShutUp and it's a huge time saver. Select All, or go with their recommendations and that's it. Always surprised at how many people don't know about it.

https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

> O&O ShutUp10++: Free antispy tool for Windows 10 and 11

> O&O ShutUp10++ is entirely free and does not have to be installed – it can be simply run directly and immediately on your PC. And it will not install or download retrospectively unwanted or unnecessary software


Does it actually fully stop telemetry? I tried it in the windows 10 days and it didn't really stop everything, sadly.


OOSU is fantastic, much better than the other options I've used.

Their O&O AppBuster is also great for cleaning up.


Until the nuisance aspects of Windows improves I can't see myself ever moving back from a Mac. I say that knowing that there are problems with Macs as well, but Microsoft has absolutely zero respect for their customers.


macOS also has this passive aggressive "finish setting up your Mac" if you don't sign in to all apple's toys like iCloud.

I never use a vendor account on my devices (even on Android, I sideload everything) so it's pretty annoying when the system preferences box has that red badge again and I think it's an update but it's just that stupid reminder again.

It's also got the same telemetry crap. Even when you turn that "off" it's still extremely chatty to Apple.com domains in the background.

I don't think it's much better than windows except for the truly hostile stuff in edge like the shopping bar and pay later schemes


Is there any good reason for anyone to be installing windows anymore other than locked-in enterprise IT setups? Gaming was the big holdout and even that doesn't feel too relevant these days


Gaming, apps that only run on windows, ease of use, stability/reliability.

I last installed windows on my PC a couple years ago after upgrading CPU/Motherboard, and since then it just trucks along with zero issues, every game I play works perfectly, and programs I use are easy to install and work reliably.

I have Linux on my laptop and it's nice not having the bloat, but it's also a huge pain getting things working.

Just today I tried to install DaVinci Resolve to do some editing and it's throwing library errors for some reason, why doesn't it resolve it automatically? Or better yet why doesn't the installer come with them like it does on windows? Linux tends to leave everything up to the user which sucks.

Also tried to play EVE through Steam, but it just says "unsupported OS" when I click play with no other help or explanation.

Everything on Linux feels like pulling a tooth, sure it'll eventually work after a lot of time and effort, until something updates and breaks everything again.


For Eve, change the Compatibility option to use Proton Experimental. It's rated Gold on ProtonDB.


Actually maybe not Experimental. Just use whatever ProtonDB recommends


Thanks I'll try that, don't understand why it's not using it by default.


Installing Windows involves filling in about 6 inputs then waiting an hour. This results in a device that will happily chug along without user involvement for a decade. (Yes, it will have ads and automatically restart for updates, but frankly most users don't care. I do, and disabling ads and automatic updates took me 30m of digging, and it's been 6 years since I've seen a Windows dialog. I suppose I turned off the "featured articles on lock screen" flag when it was added a few years ago too.) My mother still uses her 10+ year old Surface without issue. She's a non-technical user who's daily drivers are Apple devices.

What value would Linux provide my mother?


Windows major updates reset things alot and enable thigs that were disabled. How can you have gone 6 years without seeing a popup when they have added things in the last 6 years during major updates that are enabled by default and show dialogue and notifications. Also you are obviously on windoes 10 and not seen the new nonsense in 11.

My parents prefer Linux because it doesn't pressure them with pop ups and enabling new features, it just leaves them alone. If your mom uses a Microsoft account and is happy with windows then Linux would be a nuisance to her as windows popups were for my parents.


I'm on Windows 11 and I keep it up-to-date which may be how I've avoided the automatic updates, but I'm as confused as you how I've avoided the popups and ads! I also have notifications entirely disabled.


If Windows chugged along happily without user involvement for a decade, it'd be used for servers. Stuff breaks on Windows all the time


Haha, fair... Shit crashes. My work laptop has bluescreened twice in four years, and I take my gaming pc down about once a month with a game or render. But they're both still running today! Biggest fix has been a restart (maybe a few) and we're back up and running.

Ok, "chug along happily without user involvement" probably isn't the right way to phrase this...


Yes. Frankly, there's still a lot of software that is either only available on Windows or only works well on Windows. Plus, for all its criticisms, Windows is very good at "just working" out of the box without having to fiddle with it.

For 99% of of people out there, that's preferable to all the headaches you can get under Linux.

And for gaming, yes, it's still essentially the only real option. Out of the library of games I own maybe 10% work on Linux out of the box, and maybe 1/3 with WINE and a lot of work.


Regarding gaming, the only real issues these days are exactly anti-cheat and VR. Most other games work perfectly fine.


Yeah the VR thing is a total dealbreaker for me :'( Otherwise I wouldn't bother with Windows at all.

But I play mainly VR.


Thats weird, because pretty much any game I have wanted to play on Steam (with the exception of a couple VR titles) have run flawlessly on my Linux machine. Proton works for the majority of games, I have found.

I know games with anti cheat often don’t run, but those are the exception not the rule.


Strange. About 90% of my windows game library (99% of my windows + dos library) run on Linux.

Only about 50% of my windows game library still runs on windows.

MacOS is even worse: ~33% of my mac games still run on macos; ~90% of them have windows/linux ports that run on Linux.


I assume you're playing a lot of older games, so Linux support is generally OK. But with newer stuff and especially competitive multiplayer stuff support is not very good on Linux.


IME just enabling experimental proton support in Steam is enough to run 75-85% of games I'm interested in.


anything with kernel level anti cheat is a non starter unfortunately...that being said games shouldn't be doing that anyway


I believe that's less of an issue in Proton now, although for a lot of those cases, the develop has to recompile some stuff. Seems more or less painless, but they do need to make the effort to go and do it.


I've never encountered that (though something similar happened with a ubisoft game on my unmodified Nintendo Switch...), but can't you just grab a pirate copy if this happens?


Not for multiplayer stuff where anti-cheat is commonly used.


I gave Linux a try again on my laptop and the first game I tried (EVE Online) just said "not supported" when I tried to run it via Steam. So not a good start so far.


Personally I have to keep a Windows VM around for the odd bit of software. Oftentimes it's software made by someone for a very specific workflow in a niche interest, and so it's less compatible either because they hardcode things, or they're just interested in getting the very specific workflow they need working, and not in any "best practices".


Linux is a chore and I'm not buying a Mac.


I've experimented with Windows, Linux, and Mac to varying degrees and have recently settled back on Windows. Here's my perspective:

- Mac: Ideal for those who don't mind a more controlled environment, where Apple dictates much of the user experience. While it's possible to customize beyond Apple's defaults, doing so can complicate things.

- Linux: Suited for users who can tolerate some unpredictability. It offers the most control, particularly on desktop, and can be incredibly efficient when functioning smoothly. However, maintaining this state can require significant effort, as updates may disrupt previously stable features like hibernation, graphics drivers, and Japanese input. The introduction of Wayland has further complicated the landscape.

- Windows: Strikes a balance between Linux's flexibility and Mac's controlled ecosystem. While it lacks Linux's high degree of customization, it's less restrictive than Mac. The Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) provides a competent Linux experience for many use cases. Although troubleshooting can be challenging, issues are generally less frequent compared to Linux.

After transitioning from Windows to Mac to Linux and back to Windows, I've gained a newfound appreciation for Windows, especially its later versions. Despite its flaws, Windows emerges as the platform requiring the least maintenance, efficiently facilitating both work and leisure with minimal friction—at least in my experience.


There is not a single good Linux DE.

So the other option is macOS. Good hardware but the os is annoying in some parts.


It depends on what you want out of a DE, I guess. I prefer minimalist window managers (evilwm!), though the wayland team seems hell-bent on breaking them.

XFCE, LXDE, etc, are OK compromises, since they let you configure wifi graphically out of the box (they are similar to windows before the whole windows 8 thing). Current KDE is surprisingly good too. I get the impression all of those will continue to work for a long time.

Anyway, the worst thing about MacOS is the window management. It's ridiculously buggy. Just the other day, I couldn't find one of my VS Code windows with the mouse or keyboard. I had to go to the "Window" menu and click on it to get it to open.


I really love KDE. You can make it look and feel however you want and it's really powerful.


I'm not sure I'd agree that macOS presents a good desktop environment. Truly good desktop environments died eith Windows 7 I'd say.


What's wrong with MATE?


Very low-hanging fruit article. Perhaps interested for a mainstream audience but any IT professional would know all this even if Windows isn't their main thing. It isn't for me, I'm mainly Linux and Mac but I still abhor Microsoft accounts so I always bypass this requirement when I do have to use windows.


I run Windows 10 LTSC IoT edition on my gaming PC and it’s been pretty great. No crapware and no annoying update notifications. Should be the default windows version.


I just create golden images with NTLite.




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