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Women die because they're not allowed to abort nonviable fetuses that would also likely kill them. Seems very unsafe, I wouldn't want to be a woman there.



"Abortion in Texas is illegal in all cases, except to save the mother's life, or prevent substantial impairment of major bodily function." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Texas#:~:text=Abor....


The trouble with this language, which seems unambiguous, can be difficult to implement in an emergency situation. For example: https://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-sepsis-life-saving-abortion-...

As a partner with a wife who went into septic shock, sepsis is no joke. I was given a 40% chance of her living through the night, which, thankfully she did. Doctors are understandably hesitant to perform an abortion because they could be held criminally liable if some court after the fact, with months of hindsight, may consider that the mother could have lived even if the baby was brought to term. So this is a no-win scenario all around and a terrible law from a party that claims to eschew any government overreach into personal lives.


you may or may not be aware that a common result of such laws is that doctors refuse to get involved in cases where an abortion is necessary to save the mother's life, because they don't want to have to convince a jury of it. better to take a different patient and not risk going to jail until the trial


Nobody knows the letter of the law in the real world and carveouts like this are meant to appease political opposition and get laws passed, not to be enforceable/usable. It's an effective total ban.


For non-Americans everywhere, disallowing abortion including nonviable pregnancies sounds barbaric. America is viewed as the most advanced nation in the world. But these Taliban-level backwardness is mind boggling.

America was never this regressive and tribal when I went to school there in the mid 80's til the 1990.


That is terrible. How often does this situation happen?


Here are some statistics about Termination for Medical Reasons (TFMR): Pregnancies with major congenital fetal abnormalities: Most pregnancies with a major congenital fetal abnormality end in TFMR. The percentage of pregnancies that end in TFMR can range from 70% to 95% depending on the severity of the abnormality. Stillbirth: TFMR is almost twice as common as stillbirth. In 2018, Tommy's statistics reported 2,943 babies lost after being stillborn, while the DHSC reported 3,269 TFMR during that same time period. Down's syndrome: 20% of TFMRs are due to Down's syndrome. Pregnancies with Turner syndrome: Turner syndrome leads to the highest rate of pregnancy termination (100%). Pregnancies with Klinefelter syndrome: Klinefelter syndrome leads to the second highest rate of termination (73.9%). In the UK, over 70% of congenital anomalies are detected during pregnancy and, of those, around 37% will result in TFMR. In Europe, the prevalence rate of TFMR is 4.6 per 1,000 births. Seven percent of women cited health concerns for themselves or possible problems affecting the health of the fetus as their most important reason in 2004, about the same as in 1987.


I don't know the statistics, but even if it happens only once, the authors of the policies in place should be prosecuted.

One stat that jumps out is that infant death rates are way up. Forcing women to complete their term anyway is sadistic and completely unnecessary.


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That seems unrelated to the discussion at hand.

Something cannot be ignored by pointing at something else.


It's hard to tell what you're actually asking but the Louisiana department of health claims it's about 1 in 10,000 die from pregnancy complications [0]. University of California San Francisco claims 6%-8% of pregnancies are high risk [1].

The World Health Organization claims a global rate of 4.3 mother deaths per 1000 live births in low income countries versus 1.2 deaths per 10,000 live births in high income countries [2].

[0] https://ldh.la.gov/page/pregnancy-risks

[1] ucsfhealth.org/conditions/high-risk-pregnancy

[2] https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/maternal-mo...


I'm not sure, how many women a year should we say is acceptable?


30-40 seems reasonable.




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