On: Uv: Python packaging in Rust

[anze3db]

I hope they answer this ASAP. People in the Python community are already concerned that Astral is following the Embrace, extend, and extinguish playbook.

[aidos → anze3db]

If all they did right now was leave Ruff exactly as it was and walk away they would have given the Python community a great gift.

Sure, it’s rendered a bunch of projects obsolete, but it’s because it’s so much better than the predecessors.

[anze3db → aidos]

If they stop development on Ruff today, Ruff won't be useful anymore after a few new Python releases. If the maintainers of the tools that Ruff is replacing stop maintaining them, the whole Python community will be in a really bad place. So, there is reason to be cautious. Astral being transparent on how they plan to make money would be very helpful.

[the_mitsuhiko → anze3db]

> If they stop development on Ruff today, Ruff won't be useful anymore after a few new Python releases

That is true for every single development tool in the Python space.

[aidos → anze3db]

I do get the caution, but I think that even in that case there’s enough momentum behind Ruff for the community to fork and carry on.

Obviously it would be pretty crummy to end up in a situation like pyright where MS really have leant in to their embrace, extend, extinguish strategy.

[theLiminator → anze3db]

People could just fork it if that happens. Since the foundation of the tooling is solid, I 'm sure the community would rally around a fork that keeps it going.

[cqqxo4zV46cp → anze3db]

“People in the Python community”?

Yeah. Probably precisely the same people that call everything EEE.

You’ll always find people acting alarmist about anything.