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I have no idea what you are even talking about. The page has clear links to news stories corroborating the deaths. Here are a few in 2022 with minimal paywalls:

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20221111234459/https://www.cbsne...

“A Tesla is believed to have burst into flames upon impact.

One person, a passenger inside the Tesla, was pronounced dead at the scene by first responders.”

[2] https://www.11alive.com/article/news/local/atlanta-crash-ral...

“ One person is dead after a fiery crash on Tuesday morning in southwest Atlanta where Atlanta Police officers were unable to rescue the driver from a burning Tesla.”

[3] https://www.denver7.com/news/investigations/fatal-tesla-cras...

Look familiar? “The crash happened in the late evening of May 16 on Upper Bear Creek Road when the car went off the road and slammed into a tree. The car then caught fire.

A passenger made it out of the vehicle, but the driver, 33-year-old Hans von Ohain, died at the scene.”

Yep, literally the very crash this thread is about was a fire death.

You clearly either did not even look at the link provided or failed to understand how the data was presented.

And just in case you did not read the NFPA report I linked and make a statement like, “But, but, those were crashes, they don’t count.” The NFPA report counts all fires where a death occurred directly or indirectly, especially collisions which were responsible for almost 2/3 of vehicle fire deaths.

What the data actually shows is that non-collision fires, which are almost never deadly, are uncommon on Teslas. However, collision fires, which are very deadly, are disproportionately dangerous and common on Teslas to the extent that their total fire death rate is multiple times higher than regular cars.

As it turns out, reducing your near miss rate in return for increasing catastrophic failure rate is not acceptable.




1 does NOT state the person "burned to death"

2 does NOT state the person "burned to death"

3 does NOT state the person "burned to death"


So your complaint is what, terminology?

Tesla deliberately deceives the public by intentionally publishing bogus, misleading analysis about their fire rates that deliberately imply Teslas are reduced fire hazards when Teslas actually result in 3-5x as many fatalities in fires per capita and you complain about my terminology?

Fine, fire deaths. In 2022, 3-5x as many people died in Tesla fires than would be expected amongst average cars amounting to ~3.5-8 extra deaths per million vehicles resulting in ~14-16 additional deaths in the US above expectation. In contrast, the Ford Pinto had 27 additional deaths over 7 years and ~1.5 million vehicles resulting in ~4 excess deaths per year and ~2.5 extra deaths per million vehicle years.

So now it is your turn to explain why it is okay for Tesla to result in 16 extra people dying and imply that a vehicle 1.5-3x more prone to deadly fires than a Pinto is not a fire risk.

Note that quoting the culprit, Tesla, or any of the Tesla hustlers is not a very good argument since they have a direct financial incentive to lie, so please do try to refrain from regurgitating the Tesla marketing and present actual analysis from competent sources.




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