This UFO investigation stuff is just a giant bandwagon, which people get on to for money, influence and power.
I don't think there's any extra-terrestrial activity going on here on Earth, period. Maybe elsewhere in the Universe and probably not in our solar system either.
>I don't think there's any extra-terrestrial activity going on, period.
given that the universe is so large there's not a number that can accurately measure its true size or age, you mean to tell me you think that humans are the only intelligent lifeforms to exist currently, have existed, or will exist?
No one here is saying that. What so many are saying is that we're just not that interesting. Any highly advanced technological species that can build spaceships that can cross the vastness of space isn't going to take anything more than a passing interest, if even that, in a species that can't even get out of its own solar system.
To see so much conspiracy around here is sobering. This community loves to poke fun at things like religion while applying the same faulty logic to things like extraterrestrial UFOs.
I think that extraterrestrial UFO conspiracies are extra juicy because they also infer negative things about the US government.
> “What’s more likely?” asked Kirkpatrick. “The fact that there is a state-of-the-art technology that’s being commercialized down in Florida that you didn’t know about, or we have extraterrestrials?” he said. “And it even makes me scratch my head more when you show them; here’s the company in Florida that builds exactly what you’ve described. And their response is, well, no, no, no, it’s gotta be extraterrestrials, and you’re covering it up.”
I'm fairly confident about it because I've seen this pattern before, with moral panics, fairy tales, witch hunts and other group/herd behavior in people throughout history (and modern times as well).
Yes, I think it's sociological in origin and the UFOs don't exist. There are probably a core group of "true believers" that are absolutely convinced that aliens exist.
Of course, you get utterly depraved individuals who do absolutely atrocious things, e.g. cannibalism. You might get a dozen of them over the decades. And cults that can be nasty and do terrible things.
But the moral panic is where we see it everywhere, in the thousands, when it isn't. It's like a form of mass paranoia. And it's harmful not just because of the innocent people falsely accused, but that people were not letting their children out to play, out of fear of predators, which likely damages their development somewhat.
It's very disappointing, but all evidence indicates that we (a technological species) are alone, in this area, at this time. It even seems possible that we might be the first technological species in our Local Group.[0]
If someone could prove me wrong, I would be so excited!
No they're on the surface they're just invisible. Also they drive invisible cars. Oh and they are made out of a different kind of matter that just passes through normal matter.
But I believe that alien theory, alien simulation theory, etc.. are all our modern form of deism. Humans have a great need to find order from a higher power.
I will believe in god(s), aliens, or any other higher power when I am shown irrefutable proof. Until then, we are on our own folks!
I mean I thought this too but this is the one area, particularly under recent events, that I think it’s reasonable to start trying to come up with good non-prosaic explanations. You’ll probably find an increasingly surprising number of people talking and thinking about this in a serious way, because events seem to be pointing to something that isn’t just smoke and mirrors the entire way down. It’s smoke and mirrors to be sure in many ways. But it’s sufficiently uniquely weird that it is looking increasingly likely there is a significant non-prosaic thing going on here.
Hah, this is the second time in the last half a year where I've heard the "underground civilization" theory. The previous person mentioning it to me was totally serious too...
beats me. some people have emotional reactions to hypotheses around the UAP phenomenon. it's not that surprising given the implications of if it is due to non-human intelligence, but it's annoying that speculative theorizing about this is treated the way it is compared to other mysteries.
There are many regions/nations that are either hostile to the current international order or ungoverned. There is no chance of such a global conspiracy working for many decades to cover this up. Besides, just think what hostile countries would do to get access to alien technology or just prevent their enemies from it. That would be very, very noticeable.
Grusch doesn't know anything, he only repeats what he's been told, and what he's been told comes from the same group of Skinwalker Ranch/UFO grifters that have been blowing smoke up the backsides of Schumer and other credulous dupes for years. There is no reason to believe aliens are real in this scenario, or that whatever goes on in private briefings involves "real evidence" of such, as opposed to just passing on more nonsense that happens to be classified (like a lot of the already debunked UAP videos.)
Just because someone says something under oath, doesn't mean it's true. Just because someone says something in a SCIF, doesn't mean it's true. Just because a video seems to show a weird light or an orb or a triangle and the government says it hasn't been tampered with, doesn't mean the government is admitting that it shows proof of actual extraterrestrial craft.
The scenario presented in TFA is the simplest explanation that makes the most sense, even more so than it all being a distraction or intentional psyop to fool the Chinese or Russians. Maybe at the core of everything, there is some exotic foreign drone activity the Navy wants people to feel free to report, but the stigma of "UFOs" has gotten in the way. I can see some of this being part of a campaign by the military to make the phenomenon credible for the sake of national security, but not because actual aliens are involved.
David Grusch is supposedly in the process of writing an op-ed in which he reveals more about his actual knowledge. He was not allowed to talk publicly about his actual involvement.
As to "for the sake of national security", I am really not buying this angle. There are plenty of scarecrows to use for increased spending - Russia, China, Middle East, North Korea. The media has not covered this topic at all. You would expect more engagement if this was really a push for more money.
> intentional psyop to fool the Chinese or Russians
It might be partly that, but I don't think it's only that. Because Grusch says that Russians and Chinese themselves have the tech and are considering disclosure. Russia and China will know that's false, making it self-defeating.
I work with a lot of DoD analysts. The vast majority are ex-military, having spent time at the Pentagon doing basically the same job they do at our company now. And they are all, to the last one, some version of nutty.
I don't think there's any extra-terrestrial activity going on here on Earth, period. Maybe elsewhere in the Universe and probably not in our solar system either.