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I usually discover after years that these climate action movements were actually sponsored by Russia. It has already happened with the fracking. But then it's too late because they've already produced effects.



Can you link to some times this has happened in the past? I searched and found some opinion pieces and quotes, but no evidence yet.


Here you go, an ten years old article from the Guardian, a leftie news outlet that always supports climate action campaigns.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/19/russia-s...

I remember the fracking hysteria quite well when it happened in Eastern Europe because I too fell for it, to then find out it was a Russian psyop.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/06/20/russias-quiet-war-again...


Yes I actually found that first one myself, you'll note that there is explicitly no evidence. "I have met allies who can report [...] He declined to give details [...] Nato's press office said the remarks were Rasmussen's personal views, not official policy [...] geology, rather than political concerns, was likely to be the main obstacle". So this guy says the environmental groups have been compromised, they say they haven't been, he declines to give even the vaguest semblance of evidence.

Your second article starts with the exact same quotes from the same guy. It at least tries to outline some circumstantial evidence, but the author doesn't seem to find it very convincing and I don't either.

There were a number of articles in 2014 spurred by a single quote from this one person, and absolutely nothing since then. I think the circumstantial evidence against these claims is equally strong: anti-fracking activism was increasing worldwide around this time, including in countries like South Africa and Tunisia that are not particularly hostile towards Russia. You can see a good list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fracking_by_country. Fracking is simply unpopular almost everywhere.

I don't doubt that Russia viewed fracking as an economic threat, but I will need even the tiniest bit of evidence before I seriously consider the possibility that actually fracking is very popular and people only protested because they were getting paid.


My initial point was that by the time you find the evidence, adversary goals are already accomplished. The author is quite credible after nearly ten years, given all the circumstances. Eastern Europe being organized against fracking when they can't even get their shit together in other matters? I believe all of this is the same psyops, only repackaged for a younger generation with a shorter attention span.


But it's been almost 10 years since the claim and there is still no evidence. How long do we have to wait?


The evidence is all there, you just refuse too see it as such.




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