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[okamiueru]

Is it limiting tracking, or potentially exposing a untrusted middleman with knowledge of all your traffic, and who it belongs to?

What is the difference between the ISP knowing this and being a problem, but the VPN sitting with the exact same information, also knowing it?

[moose44 → okamiueru]

ISPs knowingly collect it and sell it. Proton (at least according to them) do not collect it. You must choose your VPN carefully.

[Tijdreiziger → moose44]

That’s a pretty strong statement to make about all ISPs in the world.

[reciprocity → Tijdreiziger]

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/senate-votes-to-...

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Broadband_Consumer_Privac...

[Tijdreiziger → reciprocity]

Those sources appear to be about ISPs in the US. At most, this shows that ISPs in the US sell your data, not that all ISPs do so.

[moose44 → Tijdreiziger]

It's true. In fact, in the US they even lobbied congress to do so: https://techcrunch.com/2017/03/28/house-vote-sj-34-isp-regul...

[Tijdreiziger → moose44]

At most, this shows that ISPs in the US sell your data, not that all ISPs do so.

[okamiueru → moose44]

If any ISP were to be caught doing this in the EU, it would be fairly big news.

[lowbloodsugar → okamiueru]

I mean, sure, it really depends on who is providing the VPN. With Proton, you're already using them for your email, so if they were a bad actor, you're basically fucked already. If you have ProtonMail, then the choices are 1/ No VPN, so your ISP will collect this data, 2/ a popular VPN provide who will collect this data, or 3/ Proton who say they won't and they've already got you email too if they are liars. Option 3 is the lowest risk of event if they are good actor, but also the potential damage of an event, if they are bad actor, is much higher since they have more data including email based 2FA.

[moose44 → lowbloodsugar]

Like I said above, the best option is to not use technology at all. If you want to use it, you play the odds and attempt to limit nefarious activity against you.