> Sorry, but to me that reads as 100% as a problem of the UK NHS for underpaying it's workers in the first place. EU workers taking those lower paying jobs is only the effect but not the cause.
> So why blame eastern European workers for a problem created by UK institutions? To me it read as targeted xenofobia in disguise.
I think you misread what I said? Low wages in the NHS are a good thing. We're exploiting foreign workers for our own gain – I'm not a nurse so why would I dislike this? I celebrate the suppression of NHS wages. I don't blame the eastern European workers we're exploiting in the slightest.
> Answer me this: Now that eastern Europeans don't come work in the NHS anymore, did NHS wages rise? Or are they now importing cheaper labor from outside the EU by rubber-stamping work visas like crazy, meaning UK workers are now also wagedumped and also without EU membership benefits? How do those apples taste? Xenofobia has its price you know.
Yeah kinda. We can't find enough workers willing to work for the crappy wages we pay so unfortunately we're now upping their wages to prevent them striking.
> Or are they now importing cheaper labor from outside the EU by rubber-stamping work visas like crazy, meaning UK workers are now also wagedumped and also without EU membership benefits?
Not sure what you're point is here? Low skilled UK workers have always had wages suppressed and never had the luxury of moving to the EU. Middle-class people who might want to live/work abroad are impacted though, yes.
> Higher wages for workers means cost increases up the chain and from what I saw Brits love their cheap prices and services and any small increase in prices leads to a dramatic increase in people living below the poverty line in the UK.
I agree. This is why I'm pro mass migration and pro wage suppression. Like I said, suppressing wages in the NHS makes a ton of sense because it results in lower healthcare costs for British tax payers. Same is true for the cheap foreign agricultural labour we import – it provides us with cheaper produce.
I feel like you've completely misread what I've said because I think we actually 100% agree here?
Like you, I also want low wages and cheap immigrants. This is why I'm in favour of mass-migration... I didn't vote Brexit so we could reduce migration I voted Brexit so we could reduce regulation and bureaucracy.
I think where we might differ is that I understand why people disagree with me on this. If I were less privileged and competing against migrant workers it would probably annoy me much more – and it's those people I'm arguing for here despite that not being my position – I can understand why people voted to reduce the influx of cheap labour.
I guess to clarify:
> Do you want cheap immigrants
Yes, I do, but do you see how this might upset those who must compete with the "cheap immigrants"?
Issues with mass immigration are not only economic. They are social and cultural especially when immigrants are from vastly different cultures and religions.
People want to maintain their own cultures and identities.
> They are social and cultural especially when immigrants are from vastly different cultures and religions.
Which is why the UK decided to get rid of Eastern Europeans and instead import people outside of the EU? Sounds like a bad plan for succesful integration.
> So why blame eastern European workers for a problem created by UK institutions? To me it read as targeted xenofobia in disguise.
I think you misread what I said? Low wages in the NHS are a good thing. We're exploiting foreign workers for our own gain – I'm not a nurse so why would I dislike this? I celebrate the suppression of NHS wages. I don't blame the eastern European workers we're exploiting in the slightest.
> Answer me this: Now that eastern Europeans don't come work in the NHS anymore, did NHS wages rise? Or are they now importing cheaper labor from outside the EU by rubber-stamping work visas like crazy, meaning UK workers are now also wagedumped and also without EU membership benefits? How do those apples taste? Xenofobia has its price you know.
Yeah kinda. We can't find enough workers willing to work for the crappy wages we pay so unfortunately we're now upping their wages to prevent them striking.
> Or are they now importing cheaper labor from outside the EU by rubber-stamping work visas like crazy, meaning UK workers are now also wagedumped and also without EU membership benefits?
Not sure what you're point is here? Low skilled UK workers have always had wages suppressed and never had the luxury of moving to the EU. Middle-class people who might want to live/work abroad are impacted though, yes.
> Higher wages for workers means cost increases up the chain and from what I saw Brits love their cheap prices and services and any small increase in prices leads to a dramatic increase in people living below the poverty line in the UK.
I agree. This is why I'm pro mass migration and pro wage suppression. Like I said, suppressing wages in the NHS makes a ton of sense because it results in lower healthcare costs for British tax payers. Same is true for the cheap foreign agricultural labour we import – it provides us with cheaper produce.
I feel like you've completely misread what I've said because I think we actually 100% agree here?
Like you, I also want low wages and cheap immigrants. This is why I'm in favour of mass-migration... I didn't vote Brexit so we could reduce migration I voted Brexit so we could reduce regulation and bureaucracy.
I think where we might differ is that I understand why people disagree with me on this. If I were less privileged and competing against migrant workers it would probably annoy me much more – and it's those people I'm arguing for here despite that not being my position – I can understand why people voted to reduce the influx of cheap labour.
I guess to clarify:
> Do you want cheap immigrants
Yes, I do, but do you see how this might upset those who must compete with the "cheap immigrants"?