Yeah, the effects of immigration are pretty obvious and very acutely felt by people at the low end of the social scale. In particular a young male with no diploma is really not having it.
But then you have elites or upper middle class people overintellectualizing immigration with "feel-good" argument and a lot of bullshit nonsense. In the end most of the immigration is young male with no diploma, and they come and add competition to the already low-wage shit jobs.
There are always a lot of arguments about immigration, that it is useful for skilled people and that they pay taxes.
But it does not even pass the sniff test, a local person would pay even more tax (most likely) and needing to import qualified skilled people is just a sign of failure somewhere in your education system. For many reasons you should not want to import skilled labor, it is not a good deal for a country...
However, it is good for-profit focused business to increase competition and lower wages in their industry. Which is exactly what Apple does and others did before.
But the same rich people who buy their expensive hardware and have truly little competition in their luxury ivory tower will tell you otherwise. I do not even blame them, they cannot relate at all, they don't have the relevant experience. I feel like some minimum wage hard work with shitty hours should be mandatory to be allowed to talk about those type of things, otherwise it's just people talking out of their asses...
I’m skeptical even of skilled immigration. Perhaps even more skeptical of skilled immigration than unskilled immigration. Skilled immigrants are often elites back home. The people ruining things in India or Nigeria or China then come to America and bring their same attitudes with them.
That is an interesting reflection, which makes sense.
And it matches something I recently realized. In the west, what we call elite is not clearly linked to any merit.
I believe that what are considered elites got there not by being competitive but mostly in ways that are closer to what cheating is.
We are in an era of major stagnation in mobility for the lower part of the society precisely because the elite have been reproducing themselves and have shut down the competition by faking it and creating all kind of "standards" impossible to meet for peoples without the means.
I think immigration is just another cheat to prevent equalization. If we look at the distribution ok skills/competency of humans, it mostly follow a normal distribution, yet revenues are really not distributed like that...
There are always a lot of arguments about immigration, that it is useful for skilled people and that they pay taxes. But it does not even pass the sniff test, a local person would pay even more tax (most likely) and needing to import qualified skilled people is just a sign of failure somewhere in your education system. For many reasons you should not want to import skilled labor, it is not a good deal for a country...
However, it is good for-profit focused business to increase competition and lower wages in their industry. Which is exactly what Apple does and others did before. But the same rich people who buy their expensive hardware and have truly little competition in their luxury ivory tower will tell you otherwise. I do not even blame them, they cannot relate at all, they don't have the relevant experience. I feel like some minimum wage hard work with shitty hours should be mandatory to be allowed to talk about those type of things, otherwise it's just people talking out of their asses...