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The donor class often has very stupid or industrially motivated ideas about what kind of research should be done. In the former case, you're mostly just adding another idiot to your list of pseudobosses. In the latter case, what's really happening is that the rest of the funding is now going to end up subsidizing some private research endeavour. This is a form of capture, and should basically be avoided.

The current state of the system for graduate students is bad, but it is not improved by allowing private investment.




> The donor class often has very stupid

people who are very good at making money make stupid investments?

> industrially motivated ideas

which drive increased prosperity in our economy

> it is not improved by allowing private investment

wow. Maybe we shouldn't allow things like inventing semiconductors, jet engines, television, etc.


> people who are very good at making money make stupid investments?

Absolutely, particularly when the "investment" is a donation to charity or a university that's more to assuage guilt or plaster a name for posterity than it is for any return.

People that do end up with a great deal of money aren't always the sharpest crayons in the sun - many have luck and good advisors.


> that's more to assuage guilt or plaster a name for posterity than it is for any return

And you know this, how?

> always

If you have to insert this word, you've created a strawman.


> > > People that do end up with a great deal of money aren't always the sharpest crayons in the sun - many have luck and good advisors.

> > always

> If you have to insert this word, you've created a strawman.

It's a strawman to say that "something isn't always true?" Really? Come on.


When I say "people like ice cream" and you say "not all people like ice cream" that's creating a straw man.


That is not what a strawman is.


Yeah it is. You're arguing against my point by creating a false representation of what I said.


No, Walter, it is you who created a false representation of what noqc said when you replied to their comment saying "people who are very good at making money make stupid investments?"


Not at all. I did not add "all".


> people who are very good at making money make stupid investments?

Just because someone makes a lot of money doesn't mean they are intelligent or did so upon their own virtue. And it doesn't necessarily mean they're good at investments and capital allocation.

>> it is not improved by allowing private investment

> wow. Maybe we shouldn't allow things like inventing semiconductors, jet engines, television, etc.

An incredibly sizable portion of technological development in the U.S. in the past 100 years is due to government (i.e., public) funding, not private funding.


> An incredibly sizable portion of technological development in the U.S. in the past 100 years is due to government (i.e., public) funding, not private funding.

Never mind semiconductors, jet engines, television, internet phones, AI, electric cars, engines, steel making, typewriters, the whole textile industry, telephones, CDs, electric guitars, autotune, cameras, need I go on?

> Just because someone makes a lot of money doesn't mean they are intelligent or did so upon their own virtue. And it doesn't necessarily mean they're good at investments and capital allocation.

Maybe read biographies of Musk, Jobs, Gates, Bezos, Buffet, Rockefeller, Walton, Sears, etc., then tell me how stupid they are.


I didn't say all technology. My point was that we don't owe everything to private investments.

> Maybe read biographies of Musk, Jobs, Gates, Bezos, Buffet, Rockefeller, Walton, Sears, etc., then tell me how stupid they are.

I don't need to because I know what the words "cult of personality" mean.


> I didn't say all technology

Neither did I.

> My point was that we don't owe everything to private investments.

I didn't say everything.

> I don't need to because ...

A credible case needs more than saying you don't need to know anything about them.


> people who are very good at making money

assumptions like that can get one killed


Ah for sure. I'm not suggesting that it be seen as an investment, or a gift for anything other than undirected basic research.




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