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A cartoon depiction of kissing a life-saving non-consensual kiss somehow is not as bad as actually murdering dozens of real world living animals on camera for profit.


Are you referring to the original fairy tales that Disney content is based on? Even there, no example comes to mind.

Which stories are you referencing?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeping_Beauty

> [...] the sleeping beauty, Talia, falls into a deep sleep after getting a splinter of flax in her finger. She is discovered in her castle by a wandering king, who "carrie[s] her to a bed, where he gather[s] the first fruits of love." He abandons her there after the assault and she later gives birth to twins while still unconscious.


That seems to only be in Giambattista Basile's version, not in Grimms'.


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Oh come on, can we stop wasting time on these meaningless, overly politically correct discussion on fairy tales or derivations of fairy tales that are decades to centuries old. They are the products of their time and have their limits, but that doesn't make them bad stories -- if anything, the stories are more inspiring and comforting than disturbing.

By that logic Mario games should be banned because it reinforces gender stereotypes, right? Opera houses should just shut down because most of their repertoire is based on silly stories of men pursuing women, often misogynist?

Can't we have nice things?


> By that logic Mario games should be banned because it reinforces gender stereotypes, right? Opera houses should just shut down because most of their repertoire is based on silly stories of men pursuing women, often misogynist?

How quickly we forget the middle of last decade where everything was problematic.


Cinderella is the lass who loses her shoe, not one of the ones who fall asleep, those are Sleeping Beauty and Snow White.

While the Snow White situation is especially bad (first time we see the guy is when he drops by to plant one on a presumed-dead minor), the Sleeping Beauty story is a bit more nuanced: he was there as a child when the curse was laid on the princess so he knows what's going on and they have at least some foundation for their relationship, albeit a shaky one (the meeting in the forest).


> first time we see the guy is when he drops by to plant one on a presumed-dead minor

Disney or the Grimm Brothers version? The original tale has Snow White (presumed dead) in a glass casket, the prince is taking her back to her father for a proper funeral, and she wakes up when the poisoned apple gets dislodged during the movement from the horses.


Also in the Disney version Snow White and the prince meet for the first time at the very beginning of the film.


Oh, I forgot that; I was wrong then. I suppose that'll teach me not to talk about movies I haven't seen in over 20 years.


Not true.

A kiss of life is not sexual in nature and its intent is different.

In the Cinderella story it is a kiss motivated by sexual desire (even if it is not worded quite that way for kids). It would be different if the prince knew it would revive her - IIRC he does not.

Assault might be a bit strong, and it does benefit her. However, it is definitely not something that would be normal behaviour in real life. How would you like to be woken by a stranger kissing you? Then again, fairy tails are pretty weird anyway.


>In the Cinderella story it is a kiss motivated by sexual desire ... It would be different if the prince knew it would revive her - IIRC he does not.

I believe you and the person you are quoting are referring to Snow White and not Cinderella?

Premising that I'm not acquainted with the original story, I find the claim that an "useless" kiss is inherently sexual ridiculous: kisses can be displays of affection without carrying romantic or sexual connotations, not to mention giving a last kiss to a deceased loved one is not that uncommon.


Fairy tales come from a different time, with different values




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