I was following jellyfin closely since the day that it forked off from emby. I was active in the reddit community and was in the loop on everything that was happening there. then they decided to shut down the subreddit and it might has well have disappeared from existence over night. this is probably the first time i've even seen it mentioned on the internet since. i also can't be the only one who has had this experience.
you can see how well that has worked out for them since a few weeks ago they made a post crying about how their developer mindshare has been dwindling as of late.
(you will also notice that almost all of the mods who shut it down still have active reddit accounts, so clearly they don't care that much about boycotting reddit)
I guess I don't see the big deal about a project deciding to have their online presence be somewhere they control, and not a company that doesn't have your best interests in mind.
Their forum is also fairly active, so it might just be you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
yeah i mean if they want to remove themselves from the internet and go off on their own to die that's their choice to make. certainly not what is best for the health and reach of the project though.
yeah totally. i've been a secret underground reddit employee posting on hacker news for years just laying in wait for the perfect opportunity to shill for reddit on a random jellyfin thread that will disappear within a few hours on a random weekday. unfortunately for me you showed up just in time to foil my plan.
yes, that is where the lion's share of people are. on places like reddit and twitter. most people aren't on random web forums or mastadon instances. if you are trying to grow your reach, expand your community, and have presence outside of a niche group of people who already know you exist, you need to have presence in the place where people are. you obviously can have web forums and matrix channels and other such things as well, but you will stagnate if that is all you have.
Lets talk about several groups and how choice of social media might influence "reach"
Prospective users: Virtually no chance of encountering the jellyfin subreddit without subscribing or subscribe without already using MIGHT encounter mention of jellyfin on other tech focused subreddit.
Random satisfied users: Unlikely to interact on average with anything.
Users with problems motivated enough to seek support. Unlikely to be put off by the fact that the forum isn't reddit. If you have already installed and set up the software you already have enough investment that taking 30 seconds to create an account on reddit OR a forum.
Potential developers: more interested it where the source is hosted than reddit.
Most of your users are on Facebook and twitter but both are toxic and uniquely unsuitable for fostering a tech community. Reddit with an anemic 1/40th the market of Facebook provides at best a moderately adequate forum alternative but has little to recommend it especially when recently they
- Killed the API and with it every good mobile experience available at a time frame when better than half of users are apt to interact via mobile
- Are pushing a shitty desktop experience that you can only temporarily opt out of
- Hired an employee who kept her dad on in her political campaign after he was arrested for raping and torturing a child in the same house that they both lived in as adults. We are asked to believe that she was unaware of her dad bringing home kids to rape while she was an adult living in the house.
- Upended communities by awarding moderator-ship to random bob users of the channel when channels wouldn't implement the policies they desired
- Have misused internal access to data to silently edit a users post out of
spite
- Have regularly used their position to silence dissent or discussion they didn't like
I mean it IS their sandbox and they can run it as they like but why would anyone depend on Reddit for their community at this point in time?
I wish everyone would go to platform-specific or interest-based forums. I think the Internet was a better place when you just banned the occasional crazy from your forums, whereas mass social media seems to promote their craziness and create an echo chamber of negative reinforcement for them.
Crying about other people not putting the community for something they created on your preferred site is a bad look. You should reconsider what you're doing right now.
> you can see how well that has worked out for them since a few weeks ago they made a post crying about how their developer mindshare has been dwindling as of late.
you say crying, I say trying to get that developer mindshare without contributing to a platform they disagree with.
just because it doesn’t register on your moral or ethical compass doesn’t make it the wrong decision. it’s probably harder on the project but not everything is about picking the easy choice.
> this is probably the first time i've even seen it mentioned on the internet since.
> since a few weeks ago they made a post crying about how their developer mindshare has been dwindling as of late.
Not the first time you've seen them since then, then.
It wasn't really a "as of late" issue. They have had an issue with too few developers since at least last year. I've seen a similar thread on the subreddit you mentioned before as well.
>Not the first time you've seen them since then, then.
the only reason i know about that blog post is because they stickied it on their locked subreddit. i didn't stumble upon it out in the greater internet.
Its not a good idea to go off of what one person has seen to make a judgement on what "exists" on the internet.
Its the same issue people have had with reposts on Reddit. Even after 10+ reposts on Reddit, somebody will not have seen it. People arent terminally online, generally.
Samesies. Kodi’s ui is just straight-up broken and I’m glad I’ll probably never use it again. The number of times I hit the wrong button and ended up with some overlay on my video I couldn’t get rid of, or in some weird mode I didn’t want. The two back buttons that did different things. Full-featured library management inside the TV UI, where it doesn’t really fit. The weirdly-organized settings screen where I’d always have to try three times to find the thing I wanted, then half the time it was actually in some hidden modal-view elsewhere in the UI (but maybe not on other screens that were basically showing the same stuff!) Just… no.
Jellyfin’s the first time I’ve seen people who aren’t me even seriously try to use a self-hosted media thing I’ve set up. And mostly succeed! Usually with Kodi they’d give up within a minute.
I like how in Kodi I need to hook up a mouse just to click into one specific menu to add a new source. The remote works fine for everything except this ONE thing.
I think it’s interesting just how much the next gen servers seem to have ate its lunch.
If you care about nothing else than ease of use it goes
1. plex
2. emby
3. jellyfin
Plex is notable for being able to run the media server software and tv apps without having to pay anything. Emby needs a license payment, and while jellyfin is free it just isn’t as good as emby or plex right now.
Re: plex privacy, I don’t use a real email for plex id and I’m not sure if you even need it. Plex inc. can see what I’m looking up anyways because they provide the service of providing metadata for media (obviously someone gets the stats)
They do say they don’t actually monitor your usage of plex media server but it’s probably bullshit. I just don’t care with a throwaway plex id – they don’t have my name, address, payment info, nothing
It lacks a tad bit of polish compared to Plex, but it can be run entirely offline (meaning without a centralized account like Plex). Plex player on Android TV was awful for even native streaming of 4k, where Jellyfin performs.
That's weird, I had a different experience: I definitely heard about Plex the most, but often in a negative light. The alternative presented (again, in my experience) was always Jellyfin.
you can see how well that has worked out for them since a few weeks ago they made a post crying about how their developer mindshare has been dwindling as of late.
(you will also notice that almost all of the mods who shut it down still have active reddit accounts, so clearly they don't care that much about boycotting reddit)