If you want a good example of the heckler's veto being used, you can reference recent acts at Yale & Stanford of invited speakers unable to speak because of egregious disruptions
In the first article there's a lot of agonising but if the majority response to Duncan's speech was poor even when he wasn't being heckled is this not just a case of him being deeply unpopular?
He was invited to speak, surely no one promised him the audience would be supportive?
> Hate speech is literally violence. Those so-called “speakers” were lucky they were let out of their speaking engagements peacefully and without acts of physical retaliation (which would have been clearly justified self defense)!
Funny you say that...
> [f]or some members of our community, Judge Duncan, during his time as an attorney and judge, has ‘repeatedly and proudly threatened healthcare and basic rights for marginalized communities, including LGBTQ+ people, Native Americans, immigrants, prisoners, Black voters, and women, and his presence on campus represents a significant hit to their sense of belonging.
> Ahead of his appearance, they put up posters around the law school like this one, accusing him of being transphobic, homophobic, and racist [...]
> For about ten minutes, the judge tried to give his planned remarks, but the protestors simply yelled over him, with exclamations like [...] "You're not welcome here, we hate you!" [...] "Leave and never come back!" "We hate FedSoc students, f*k them, they don't belong here either!" and "We do not respect you and you have no right to speak here! This is our jurisdiction!"
Sooo...the "aggrieved" openly and explicitly express hate speech, intimidation tactics and demonstrate inability to coexist with anything they don't agree with. He's the one being jacketed as the hater.
> The protesters carried signs reading [...] "JUDGE DUNCAN CAN'T FIND THE CLIT"
> Judge Duncan moved on to the question-and-answer session, and the protestors quieted down enough to ask a few questions. The questions—and answers—were generally contemptuous. As the judge put it to me, while he’s usually happy to answer questions when he speaks at law schools, the questions he received at Stanford were not asked in good faith; in his words, they were of the “how many people have you killed” or “how many times did you beat your wife last week” variety.
> “I get the protesters, they are socialized into thinking the right approach to a federal judge you don’t agree with is to call him a f*ker and make jokes about his sex life. Awesome. I don’t care what they think about my sex life. But it took a surreal turn when the associate dean of DEI got up to speak…. She opens up her portfolio and lo and behold, there is a printed speech. It was a setup—and the fact that the administration was in on it to a certain degree makes me mad.”
Duncan hosting an AMA on 4chan would have been more civil. This is just embarrassing for Yale.
Politics is messy. On the one hand, people should be civil unless they have very strong reason not to be. I don't condone the behavior. On the other hand, I have to wonder why Duncan was invited to speak in the first place. This isn't even like, say, J.K. Rowling giving a speech about writing and being brigaded for transphobic remarks. It's Yale, a prestigious law school, inviting a notorious judge to give a talk about the law. I doubt Yale couldn't have invited someone else or something like that. And of course, it would be too much to ask both that people are civil and we don't have blatant racism in the judicial system.
I'm very big on free speech, but Yale is by no means a town square for everyone to talk in. Now this event is just another matter to wage the "culture war" upon. All hail Pyrrhus!
I'm aware of that. I have some misgivings about some of the beliefs on what pro-trans means. For the purpose of this thread, though, I don't think the nuance matters, since whether Rowling is right or wrong, she'd be heckled by the students all the same. She was just the first person who came to mind for "controversial people that would be heckled".
https://davidlat.substack.com/p/yale-law-is-no-longer-1for-f...
https://davidlat.substack.com/p/is-free-speech-in-american-l...