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Antarctic sea ice hits lowest winter maximum on record: US data (phys.org)
73 points by wglb 8 months ago | hide | past | favorite | 15 comments




This one is best, and is interactive and regularly updated. https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-...


Also here: https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/seaice/ (click Switch Hemisphere)



Unless I am mistaken, 16.96 million square kilometers is more than 15.9 million square kilometers (the recorded antarctic sea ice coverage in August 1966).

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20140017193/downloads/20...


From the article.

> "This is the lowest sea ice maximum in the 1979 to 2023 sea ice record by a wide margin," said the NSIDC, a government-supported program at the University of Colorado at Boulder.


A brief skim of the paper also suggests that the data are from different means of measurement. In the case of measurements from the 60s, those came from infrared and visible light, whereas from the 70s on its passive microwave. The paper is proposing a method to use the old data as passive microwave, and thereby extending the sea ice record.

So is OP's comparison still valid? (Assuming I'm not completely off base here.)


The paper linked is also only an estimate using a different source of data.

>”Even adding in the Nimbus V single-channel Electrically Scanning Microwave Radiometer (ESMR) data extends the record by only another 6 years and that data is not as com- plete or consistent [2].”

> “This paper presents Antarctic sea ice estimates for winter 1964 and 1966 derived from early Nimbus satellite data as an initial step towards creating Earth Science Data Records of sea ice in the 1960s.”


"The paper linked is also only an estimate using a different source of data."

Yes, an estimate with an error margin of ±0.3 million square kilometers. Also, the 1979-2023 data is from multiple "different" sources.


From your link, in the introduction:

> Sea ice extent data from multi-channel [1979–2012] passive microwave sensors provided one of the longest-running climate records from satellites in the form of the sea ice extent index [1]. However, while the more than 30-year record is now long enough for typical climate-scale change, it is still relatively short. Even adding in the Nimbus V single-channel Electrically Scanning Microwave Radiometer (ESMR) data extends the record by only another 6 years and that data is not as complete or consistent [2]. Earlier data are only available from operational ice charts that are of variable quality and do not cover all ice-covered regions. This was particularly true in the Antarctic, where there were few ice charts before 1972.

Sections IV. ERROR ANALYSIS and V. ANTARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT ESTIMATES, 1964 VS. 1966 then go on to explain how calculating ice extents before the passive microwave sensor era is unreliable, with gems like:

> The 1964 satellite data provide fairly complete coverage over the Antarctic, allowing the ice edge to be clearly seen in most areas in at least one image over the three weeks. This provides a reasonably robust estimate of sea ice extent for the period, though some uncertainty results from the variation of the ice edge location during the time period. The Nimbus I data had at most eight images of any area in the three weeks of data collection, so it was difficult to distinguish homogeneous clouds and homogeneous ice.

> Coverage of Nimbus II AVCS images for the Antarctic for 1966 was fairly complete but the film record ends on August 31 so a direct comparison with the 1964 estimate from Nimbus I is not possible. [...] The results for May 1966 had higher uncertainty because images often lacked clean ice edges. For both May and June there were longitudes with no ice edge detection, leading to further uncertainty

> The fact that our August 1966 is such an outlier indicates potential issues in the Nimbus August data. In addition, the drop in extent from July to August is not seen in the passive microwave record and is not physically likely.

> Unfortunately, we have been able to uncover any corroborating information on Antarctic sea ice in 1964 or 1966, including any data or imagery from US Navy aircraft over-flights.

Basically, any measurements from before 1979, and especially before 1972, are not particularly reliable. Some researchers have produced the best numbers they could from the data they did have, but there needs to be a big asterisk by them.


Thanks for your analysis. Your citations point out the inaccuracy of the older systems, such as being unable to distinguish clouds from ice. I don't want to make any assumptions about methodology, but if the measurements are already showing low sea ice, and they cannot distinguish ice from clouds, perhaps the actual sea ice levels were even lower than claimed in the paper.

There's plenty of non-satellite data out there (in the IPCC reports and elsewhere) that also show a dramatic reduction in antarctic sea ice from 1950 to 1968. All the available data shows 1979 as the coldest year and a peak for sea ice, so using that year as a baseline for comparison with today's levels can result in a misleading assumption that sea ice levels are decreasing, when they may actually be "normal" right now.


That number is estimated using very different methodologies, it’s hard to compare to the modern numbers!


It's quite easy to create new records when you keep changing the yardstick.


Yes, and it’s quite hard to travel back in time to recapture data with improved technologies


inf sup is a decreasing function.

Cheers!




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