They're cloud based, aren't they? So regardless of what they're doing with the data, it's true that they're (figuratively) beaming it back, although parent is admittedly implying more.
I accept that chinese authorities generally have access to anything they want to in the country, so I would buy that they have access to drone data.
They're not cloud based as far as I would define it. I have one and fly mostly on areas where there is no internet signal. The drone beams back video to your phone and unless you're syncing the cache videos with their cloud nothing its stored other than flight meta data. You can avoid even that by using a totally offline controller/phone.
Given the history of China and its tech companies, the burden of proof shifted to their shoulders.
So, I turn to them: is there anything that proves its a surveillance-free device? No, they cannot assure that.
Someone may not like it, but China now has a very, very bad reputation among people in the West. Especially after the last pandemic and how they handled it.
Horse shit. If you can’t show specific data traffic flowing from Mavic software back to China that could conceivably be drone footage, this claim is bogus and borderline libelous.
It would be trivial to prove this to be true, and there is zero of that proof. Hell, at this point it would be valuable to even see small phone homes by Mavic software from the last year, but I doubt you even have that.
There are plenty of other reasons not to buy this drone, so the lies are completely uncalled for.
Surveillance doesn't always run 24/7 for every device. The signal/noise ratio would be extremely low.
To keep a high ratio, it's selectively switched on for high interest targets.
There's no reason for a drone flying on my backyard to send any data to China. Their privacy protection is inexistent. You can ask it to be conceivably whatever horse shit you like, I don't care. I don't want any bytes sent there.
Nothing simplistic about asking for evidence that this is occurring. Yes it’s not easy, but without evidence you’re spewing speculation, and when you claim speculation as certainty it ventures into the realm of bull shit.
The word you're trying to find is not "speculation", but "suspicion":
1. a feeling or thought that something is possible, likely, or true.
2. cautious distrust.
You may like China or think there's no difference between the US and China. But saying there's no reason to be suspicious of a Chinese device is putting you in the realm of unreasonable...
That’s too broad. The claim is specific, so the evidence needs to be specific.
I never claimed I “liked” China or equated China to the US at all, nor did I say suspicion of Chinese made electronics was without merit. What I said was the specific claim being made was unsupported by evidence that would be trivially collectable if the claim were true.
And no, my word choice was intentional. You seem to be arguing against the common criticisms of your position, but you are ignoring my actual issues. I recommend rereading what I wrote and trying again.
Where? Maybe in the west, certainly not in the rest of the world. China didn't start a war that killed 1million people not even 20 years ago. Westerners don't care about that but that's to be expected.
bit of a random comparison. You're comparing one country's propensity to invade/ bomb other countries and kill their citizens to another country's internal famine. You could say the Chinese gov was incompetent then, but that famine isn't an example of foreign interference, like the US wars etc. dont think the comparison here holds
The thing is: a lot of people want to live in the US. That's not true for China.
Have you ever been to China and the US?
You may think they're equally awful, but a LOT of people disagree.
China's reputation is in really bad shape among people in the West. Despite also being under surveillance, that's why many prefer American or European tech.
Not saying it's all of it, but could some of this reputation be from propaganda and attempts to smear chinese tech? Seems like a pretty common MO from the USA
You can turn off all the phone radios or you can block all network traffic and the app still works fine. You only need a connection to get an unlock code in certain airspace.
What concrete claim are you looking for? Is it not enough that Huawei was banned by the US? Do you know the reason why it was banned? The same reason could broadly apply to every Chinese company. TikTok is the software counterpart that isn’t allowed on any government phone.
DJI does not produce infrastructure pieces so it hasn’t reached the same urgency to the US, so it’s still allowed.
> Is it not enough that Huawei was banned by the US?
They are in an economic war and are competing about whose spyware people use. I dont see how given that you can take this as a sensible metric.
Not arguing against your main point though, your line of reasoning is just flawed. The US would have reason to behave like this even if Chinese spyware wasnt a threat.
For the infrastructure, for legit strategic reasons (without even considering they are abusing it, you generally don't want to rely on foreign infrastructure on your territory).
For the smartphones, that's pure commercial war. Huawei was a big competitor.
To... Apple. First time I heard about a Huawei ban of smartphones was also the year where I heard that Huawei was about to sell more than Apple in the US, if I remember correctly.
Many people around me liked Huawei because they were seeing it as the Android brand that "is closest to Apple".
> Sounds like you’re making stuff up.
Don't get me wrong: I am not part of the US government and I was not part of the official decision. I'm just sharing my opinion :-).
US vendors slept on 5G, and Huawei prepared end-to-end gear, from backend systems through antennas to handsets. This resulted in Huawei getting a lot more deployment in 5G, and triggered less than open retaliation. The handsets themselves were minor issue compared to possibility of China eating US' lunch on 5G.
Huawei was on a trajectory to become the biggest smartphone vendor in the world, when they were kneecapped in 2019, mostly by blocking their access to Google services (which cratered their sales outside of China).
This claim is always thrown out like a life preserver without ever anything to back it up. Do you have anything to support this claim?