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> And I believe in actual government

No, you believe in _utopian_ government, which is not actual government. Actual government is what we have right now, in reality.

> I call this real government.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_scotsman




Oh for heavens sake. There are 192 different governments (at least) on this globe and they lie along a spectrum. what we have now (I kinda assume USA) is up and to the right on this spectrum (ie some definition of good, free, whatever is up and right). my utopian government is further up and right but anyone living in any of those 192 places will benefit from their government going more up and right, freer, better, more open whatever.

So yeah i think there are things a real government does and does not do. That is not utopian, it's not naive. it's here and now and rooted in practical real world examples.

Whatever you or I dislike about the governments we live under, we are incredibly fortunate to live in democracies- where we can force the buggers up and to the right. Make them more utopian more free more open.


> Whatever you or I dislike about the governments we live under, we are incredibly fortunate to live in democracies

We don't live in democracies. At best we live in a 'representative democracy'. These are not the same thing, at all.

Representative democracy is where (if we vote) we choose 1 person every 5 years to represent tens or hundreds of thousands of people, for thousands of votes. If the person you vote for does get in, but doesn't do what he said in their campaign, there is no negative outcome for them. The worst is that they will receive less votes next time, but even that unlikely to be based on their voting record, but on whether more people prefer blue or red this time.

But all that is itself moot, imo. I think we live in a not very covert fascist (corporate and state) regime - voting is simply a pressure release valve, when both red and blue are merely wings of the same bird.




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