Hmm… I just installed manjaro a few days ago and it claims to be running 6.5 already. I guess they assume the preferred path is to run the RC. Wonder how much faster my machine will get.
Some security modules that depend on cpu features, the example is camellia_aesni_avx_x86_64, failed to load and caused the performance regression. So you'd be affected if you use something like that.
I guess I'm happy Manjaro users are testing pre-releases of the kernel I use, but providing RC kernels to final users without them knowing doesn't seems very clever.
> I suspect there is something more going on than that.
Me too. Slow Sunday morning, so curiosity got the best of me, to a point, so I went checking.
But I couldn't figure out how to check the latest available kernel package on Manjaro while not running it. The software.manjaro.org page is terrible and made my laptop attempt to fly away.
Anyway, there's no "linux" on the search page, and they don't seem to have a "linux" (all by itself) package like Arch does. Tried linux-kernel, linux-stable, no dice.
So I've tried to change the URL. linux66-headers sends me to the apps list (so I guess that means there's no such page?). linux65-headers exists in the form of 6.5.0rc5 (is there a good reason why text isn't selectable on the site?!). linux64-headers also exists as version 6.4.9.
It should be funny to send unsuspecting people on the latest RC while not having the latest stable. My Arch has been running 6.4.12 for the last two days, IIRC.
> a distribution that is supposed to be "arch but stable"
I don't have eggs in those baskets so don't take my message as advertisement, but i repeatedly heard from various people Manjaro was not that serious/reliable and that EndeavourOS was much more pleasant and stable. Anyone has experience with this?
I have been running Manjaro for years and it has been a smooth experience. If I remember correctly, they mistakenly let some certificate expire and DDOS the AUR once, can't say this had impacted me. Unfortunately, distro tribalism is a real thing. Some people are very eager to trash other distros, I would say this hurts Linux and how the general public percieve it in the end.
I think the certificate thing happened like three times. There's some "fuck Manjaro" type site out there where every little mistake is catalogued.
I probably wouldn't pick Manjaro today, but I will say that I've been running Manjaro on a little home server for over two years and it's been completely rock solid.
I recall making comments to that effect and maintain the stance. Though I've had more long-lived and complex setups with Manjaro so it's not entirely a fair comparison. ~1y in on Endeavour.
I couldn’t use the default installer cause it kept crashing when I was trying to set up encrypted LVM partitions. So I had to cobble something together through the deprecated Manjaro Architect (which also had scenarios that crashed it, but at least I could cobble things together through gParted + disks to setup LUKS and it would resume from that point whereas the default installer insisted on setting up everything from scratch every time).
When installing I recall it asking me to choose which backing package to use when installing the linux package and since Architect is curses based, that was through pacman and it didn’t indicate in any way that linux-65 was pre RC. So I’m not sure what the default Manjaro installer did, but I either pacman didn’t make it clear or I simply overlooked that it was pre RC.
Overall I was quite surprised at how difficult it was to install Manjaro. Significantly worse experience than Arch because the installer kept crashing and wouldn’t work.
Manjaro doesn't generally automatically install new kernels. It does have a UI to update your kernel however, and you are able to pick Linux 6.5 from there. It is marked as Experimental, however.
I used Manjaro long ago, and loved their GUI to switch kernels [0]. I think the labels are quite informative there. There's the 'Recommended' label, but I'm unsure on how do they deal with updates. Jumping across those recommended might be the best... (imho) or just stay with LTS. Nowadays I run LTS on Cachyos.
FTA - Sent out today were some x86 fixes for Linux 6.5 Git ahead of its final tagging -- or Linux 6.5-rc8 if Linus Torvalds decides to drag out the release by an extra week.
Nobody wants another week of release candidate, Linus included, but circumstances and good project management may dictate the release be dragged out a week.
Negative connotation is appropriate to express that feeling but doesn't reflect on Linus (to me). I don't want Linus to release broken software, and neither does he. If he has to make tough calls and drag out releases, he has a sufficient track record that I'll trust it's the right choice.
I'm sorry, I thought you were offended. I guess you are not, but what the negative connotations are is still not clear. So you didn't really tell me "exactly" why it is disrespectful.
