Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin

This kind of rationalization from Gruber and most other people here would seem rather silly to anyone who knows a thing or two about how the cell phone industry actually works.

If a major carrier wanted stock ICS on all their phones, that's exactly what they would get, and manufacturers like Samsung and LG would trip over themselves to be the first to make it happen.

Virtually all of the software you see on your phone is there because your carrier wanted it there. Any software that's missing is missing because your carrier wanted it removed. It has nothing to do with Samsung; it's not their decision. Their only goal is to make the carrier happy.

All that prime shelf space that Samsung currently enjoys depends entirely on meeting the carriers' precise specifications, and that includes all future software updates. Manufacturers compete with each other for that precious shelf space, and will do whatever the carrier wants to get it.



but samsung, HTC, etc. have to differentiate from each other to sell their phones to the carrier too.

I think Apple is changing the industry by not taking any more shit from the carriers. I'm not saying that any other company would be able to successfully do the same, but I think these custom UI skins are some sort of lame attempt to do that.


That's partially true. But more importantly, when a manufacturer like Samsung meets with a major carrier to show off their latest line of devices, the carrier will invariably come back with a list of demands and changes that they'll need to see before they'll agree to carry the devices.

In order to respond quickly to the carrier's requests, a manufacturer needs their own custom platform and code base to work from, and that's why each manufacturer has their own custom Android UI platform to work with. It's a situation RIM played very well back in 2006/2007/2008, where they not only controlled the software platform top to bottom, they provided a surprisingly flexible theme engine to allow each carrier to quickly design their own custom home screen UI; some quite beautiful (especially from some of the European and UK carriers), others not so much, but all radically different from one another.

Apple completely changed the game by creating a device that average users would gladly dump their carriers for, and that alone takes away most of the power from the carriers. Today I think Apple, Microsoft, and even RIM are pushing to change users' expectations about how much control the carrier should have over their cell phone software. But the old guard manufacturers like Samsung and LG have been amazingly successful playing the cell phone industry by the traditional rules, so I think we as consumers still have a long, long way to go before we'll see any real change from the carriers or old school phone manufacturers.




Consider applying for YC's Winter 2026 batch! Applications are open till Nov 10

Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: