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Just try to buy an electric kettle that doesn't have plastic, or silicon, in contact with the boiling water. They are few and far between!



In case you are genuinely looking, I love mine - https://chantal.com/collections/kettles/products/stainless-s...


That looks great, I actually just ordered one the day before! I found a few that seem to intersect with the no plastic + good quality requirements.

Posting here for posterity:

  1. Secura: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HLPVR45/ref=redir_mobile_desktop/133-1464296-5591920?_encoding=UTF8&ref_=dp_ob_neva_mobile
  2. Ottoni Fabbrica: https://ottonifabbrica.com/en/home/15-alice-nero-8711369209998.html
  3. Frigidaire Kettle FD2129


Can you say a little bit about the possible risks from hot silicon being in contact with the water? I have not heard of this before.


Plastics leeching toxic chemicals/compounds into food and water, especially when being heated, is a known thing. It's especially bad for the endocrine system. The disruption to the hormonal balance is noticeably affecting people.


I was under the impression that silicon-based substances were not plastic.


Parent probably intended to say silicone, which is a plastic polymer. Silicone rings are commonly used even in stainless steel kettles or glass bottles for sealing the cap or lid.


In case anyone else also meant silicone and thought it was not a plastic, some research turned this up:

https://lifewithoutplastic.com/silicone/


"Technically, silicone could be considered part of the rubber family. But, if you define plastics widely, as we do, silicone is something of a hybrid between a synthetic rubber and a synthetic plastic polymer. Silicone can be used to make malleable rubber-like items, hard resins, and spreadable fluids.

We treat silicone as a plastic like any other, given that it has many plastic-like properties: flexibility, malleability, clarity, temperature resistance, water resistance."

It's a little misleading to just call silicone plastic with no disclaimers. That site is also called "life without plastic", so I'm not sure it's the most neutral source.


Strictly speaking, "plastic" simply refers to the physical property of "plasticity". Though it's also used as a general term for "all polymers", which would therefore include silicone (polysiloxane) too. However people also use "plastic" to mean "organic polymers" specifically, thus drawing a distinction between plastics and silicone.

I get the sense that people on the internet believe silicone to be more safe (e.g. for sous vide cooking or baby products) for whatever reason. Maybe because it is more chemically stable or decomposes to sand or whatever. But really you can't draw many conclusions about any synthetic material unless there has been thorough research. A given polymer species can have very different properties depending on the additives used, and those can be the most dangerous to health. And the same material between different manufacturers could have different chemistry and health risks. It's a big complicated world...


There’s some evidence that silicone-rubber produces micro plastics when in contact with steam: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34764453/


>30 years later

>Metal additives from the manufacturing process are causing cancer

Just a guess, plastics are pretty stable, its the additives that are the cancer causing parts.


As I understand it microplastics are harmful in and of themselves.


In what way? Afaik it's all inert, otherwise we'd all be dead by now given how much we drink, eat, and inhale it.


This is a non-sequitur. Something can be harmful(i.e significant population-level health effects) without it necessarily being acutely toxic at higher doses.


It’s the additives that leach from plastics, this is now common knowledge. And yeah chromium and nickel are bad for you too. Aluminum is bad for you too but it forms a stable oxide layer. Cast iron is the way.

Can we stop the whataboutism or are we all smokers here too?




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