> I think it's misguided to think that there aren't many people force themselves to work in that and worse conditions. Why? They need the money.
This may be unintentional, or I may be misreading you, but this seems to represent a serious misunderstanding of clinical depression.
I did not observe a prior post claiming that there aren't many people who force themselves work, whether for money or any other perceived gain.
Lack of perceived gain is a typical part of clinical depression. A more likely motivator is aversion to perceived worsening; even this can fail to motivate because of tendency to evaluate the likelihood of success of an action as minimal or non-existant. With clinical depression, a frequent observation is that having completed something successfully, or being rewarded for a thing (even as simple as being given or biting into a food yow enjoy) may produce no improvement of mood.
> It's seriously misguided, to think you can have any successful career without being able to force yourself to work. Quitting work everytime there is a hicup will not generally lead to a successful career. Not being able to work at all because the sun is out, your kid is long term sick, your wife had an affair, etc will generally not lead to having a successful career. There are many scenarios on a daily basis where people force themselves to work.
Yes, clinical depression does tend to cause serious misguidance. The likelihood of a successful career, regardless of efforts may seem maximal. The condition does not seem occur in response to a hiccup of circumstance. It tends to result from prolonged exposure to a series of negative events, producing a situation in which the expectation of those events ending, or of those events being replaced by positive ones, does not exist.
Based on what you've written so far, I tentatively hypothesize that you have had a fortunate life[1]. This is generally good, though tends to lead people to conclude that depressed people just need to try more, or are just in a temporary phase, or just need decide to cheer up, do something useful, knuckle through it…
Getting out of clinical depression usually requires external changes. Some people are lucky enough to experience periods of partial remission sufficient to perceive the benefit of seeking help or changing their circumstances, which can lead to full remission.
[1] While acknowledging that getting through some manner of adversity does not automatic'ly require that one has had depression during that period.
This may be unintentional, or I may be misreading you, but this seems to represent a serious misunderstanding of clinical depression.
I did not observe a prior post claiming that there aren't many people who force themselves work, whether for money or any other perceived gain.
Lack of perceived gain is a typical part of clinical depression. A more likely motivator is aversion to perceived worsening; even this can fail to motivate because of tendency to evaluate the likelihood of success of an action as minimal or non-existant. With clinical depression, a frequent observation is that having completed something successfully, or being rewarded for a thing (even as simple as being given or biting into a food yow enjoy) may produce no improvement of mood.
> It's seriously misguided, to think you can have any successful career without being able to force yourself to work. Quitting work everytime there is a hicup will not generally lead to a successful career. Not being able to work at all because the sun is out, your kid is long term sick, your wife had an affair, etc will generally not lead to having a successful career. There are many scenarios on a daily basis where people force themselves to work.
Yes, clinical depression does tend to cause serious misguidance. The likelihood of a successful career, regardless of efforts may seem maximal. The condition does not seem occur in response to a hiccup of circumstance. It tends to result from prolonged exposure to a series of negative events, producing a situation in which the expectation of those events ending, or of those events being replaced by positive ones, does not exist.
Based on what you've written so far, I tentatively hypothesize that you have had a fortunate life[1]. This is generally good, though tends to lead people to conclude that depressed people just need to try more, or are just in a temporary phase, or just need decide to cheer up, do something useful, knuckle through it…
Getting out of clinical depression usually requires external changes. Some people are lucky enough to experience periods of partial remission sufficient to perceive the benefit of seeking help or changing their circumstances, which can lead to full remission.
[1] While acknowledging that getting through some manner of adversity does not automatic'ly require that one has had depression during that period.