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Are we ‘Amusing Ourselves to Death’ in 2023? (thefire.org)
17 points by jseliger on July 13, 2023 | hide | past | favorite | 10 comments


The important metric is totalenergy per entertained/hour and it's way down thx to streaming and games. It's would be actually eating into consumer culture at this point if e-ntertainment would capitalize on its mental presence and stop selling trinkets.


The book the article mentions is a worthwhile read even today, highly recommended.


I watched a somewhat interesting monologue about how all chances at a lasting change in the social status quo were quashed in the 1900s. Now, instead of people like Marx advocating for revolution on the streets, we're meant to just have revolutions in our minds to feel a little better about our situation.


That was the same thing Marx was fighting against, the "Religion is the opium of the masses", in that religion helps people accept bad conditions, instead of engaging their unhappiness into social change. Nothing's new.


Marx with a clever fool. He invented a "religion" and claimed his way is superior. I don't get it, do people like him believe relgion is the cause of all war or is it keeping the masses docile? If war isn't people changing their situation, what is? I mean, look at a familiar history in form of america: the declaration of independence was made on religions grounds and so was the abolishment of slavery and the establishment of civil rights (MLK was a reverend not a communist revolutionary). Look at countries you consider most oppressed today: China,NK,Russia they all have communist history that marx supported that made them this twisted way.

Beware of people who have a little learning and a lot of folly, unless you wish to share in their tragedy.


> Marx with a clever fool. He invented a "religion" and claimed his way is superior.

Well, his way was superior. Back than factories consumed people like... well, consumables. If you started working in certain factory, you could expect to be dead within years. Child workers < 9yo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadler_report#/media/File:Chil...

Credit where credit is due.

> I don't get it, do people like him believe religion is the cause of all war or is it keeping the masses docile?

The Russian Orthodox Church does exactly that right now. Doing their best to keep the masses docile. The Catholic Church partnered up with Hitler.


I think you also missed my point,as I tried to explain to another commenter, there are people and organizations that to do both good and bad things, marx's silliness is his reductionism. You must know little about Christianity if you think driving workers to death is cool with it. Even animals shouldn't be treated that way. The catholics did much worse than help hitler, even now I personally don't like that organization. But don't tell me there were no atheist nazis or the tens of millions stalin killed as part of his atheistic org (even more for mao) should be ignored. The intellectual dishonesty here is that both marxism and religions have specific text and teachings, using the actions of people that abuse naive followers for their personal goals as evidence of that belief being flawed is my issue here.


You cherry pick history to dismiss Marx. Let’s forget about the crusades, the genocides committed by the west in the name of Christianity, chattel slavery justified by Christianity, the amounts of child abuse covered up by the church, etc…. Yeah, the people claiming to be communists fell to the same human hubris, but that doesn’t make them unique.

Beware of Christians claiming they only come in peace. People who are religious are still trying to rob others of their rights, just as you claim “communist” states are robbing others of theirs.


> You cherry pick history to dismiss Marx. Let’s forget about the crusades, the genocides committed by the west in the name of Christianity, chattel slavery justified by Christianity, the amounts of child abuse covered up by the church, etc…. Yeah, the people claiming to be communists fell to the same human hubris, but that doesn’t make them unique.

The irony is lost on you. Of course I cherry picked history, to show you that the whataboutism is childishly silly. That human nature causes wars and horrors as well as mediocrity and apathy. That it is possible for anyone to do good or evil, be emphatetic or apathetic or just pathetic. Just like you could claim the failed marxists were not pure, the same can be claimed of any belief system that does not specifically call out for wars or for docility/apathy in the specific context. I was hoping your takeaway would be that marx was silly in that he reduced 3000yrs+ of human belief systems to fairy tales used to be tolerant of your current situation and that somehow every revolution before him was causes by irreligious people. Your willingness to refuse to see past his simple and obvious "im14andthisisdeep" level line of thought says a lot. All i ask is you use good faith critical thinking here.

> Beware of Christians claiming they only come in peace. People who are religious are still trying to rob others of their rights, just as you claim “communist” states are robbing others of theirs

And I would talk to you about rights and peace if I thought you wouldn't use whataboutisms and reduce the world and history to good sounding quotes or strawmans.


Refreshingly lucid treatment of marx. Thanks




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