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Biden says war with Russia must end before NATO can consider Ukraine membership (cnn.com)
5 points by rntn on July 9, 2023 | hide | past | favorite | 8 comments



As the article concedes, that is non-news because of article 5 of the NATO treaty (https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_17120.ht...):

“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area”


Ukraine joining NATO is a sure guarantee of WWIII. Putin is a clown, yes - but allowing Ukraine to join NATO would only reinforce the fact that anything the US says in regards to foreign policy in Eastern Europe cannot be taken seriously and should not be trusted.

Why are people cheering for war?


> Why are people cheering for war?

People are cheering for stability once Ukraine is in NATO, Russia will no longer be able to try and subjugate them again and overall region stability will increase.


Are we not already in WWIII? What is the leading cause of death among military service age-eligible men in the US? Would war increase or decrease that death toll? There is a rational case for war, but not in the Ukraine.


I fear that political powers (both parties) are already laying the groundwork to make the Ukraine war the next Iraq. If this actually comes to fruition I can't say I still see much benefit to living in the US.


Only path to voting our way out of this is with a populist like Trump or Kennedy. Neither wants us in that war.


That is a pipe dream, do you really believe trump’s obsession with military might was just going to end at having parades with tanks and fighter jets? Kennedy so far looks like yet another extremely cynical manipulator.

Populists politicians love war because they always over promise and under deliver, and war is the ultimate distractor and rallying cry.

No one wanted this war other than Putin.


The one president in decades to keep us out of war loves war. Your logic is infallible.




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