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Popeye the Sailor Meets Ali Baba's Forty Thieves (1937) (nstr.no)
62 points by codetrotter 10 months ago | hide | past | favorite | 19 comments



No idea what is this website but it seems to be some kind of p2p, and your PC is peering the video too.

The quality of this video is horrendous, I can barely see the animation; it seems like film artifacts combined with VHS artifacts combined with MPEG artifacts on top of each other. I would think Archive.org will have it in a better quality.

edit: ah it seems archive.org has the same one, maybe slightly better but not much

edit2: seems like much better version here

https://archive.org/details/popeye-the-sailor-meets-ali-baba...

edit3: there is a dead comment below me that links 1080p on youtube


> No idea what is this website but it seems to be some kind of p2p, and your PC is peering the video too.

It's a PeerTube instance. For those yet unfamiliar with the software I'd say it's worth checking out.


Definitely a good fediverse example: https://joinpeertube.org/. You can even do live streaming now.


"The quality of this video is horrendous, I can barely see the animation; it seems like film artifacts combined with VHS artifacts"

Agreed, one wonders what happened to the original negatives. It's years ago now, but I recall seeing a Technicolor Warner Bros Bugs Bunny/Sylvester cartoon made around 1940-'43 and I was simply dazzled by the color. I remember a scene where Bugs and Sylvester were playing pool and the yellow of the overhead shaded lights shone down on the green pool table and the color was simply magnificent—full tonal shading, the lot.

A great deal of work went into color films of that era, they were pre-Eastman color negative so the masters were tri-separation B&W masters so the color could be very finely tweaked. As color was new back then film producers took great care, and as I said, the results were often spectacular.

Those tri-seps must still be somewhere. I cannot understand why they haven't been re-released. If you've seen the digital remastering of say The Wizard of Oz (1939) you'll have some idea of how excellent those cartoons looked in their heyday.

If you're not familiar with the pre-Eastman Technicolor tri-separations it's important to realize that as the negatives are all B&W and shot through RGB filters there are no color dyes to fade in storage, color is recreated afresh every time a new print is made from the negs. That changed around 1947 when Eastman color negative stock was released, as it contained color couplers those color negatives were subject to fade and many early post-War color films now look terrible they've deteriorated so much.

BTW, you'll probably recognize Eastman color, it was the forerunnt of that orangy color negative we had in the pre-digital era, Kodacolor, etc.


Or Youtube at 1080, different intro though - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmBCu1N1cTY

> and your PC is peering the video too.

I don't see how this would be possible, but I guess I don't know why it can't be - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PeerTube

It's not like I chose what IP my video conference goes to and video conferencing is just arbitrary data.


I grew up watching an edition of this on VHS. Was very pleased a while back to rediscover it in adulthood (and with an expired copyright, no less).

In a culture where animation is dominated by descendants of the Disney style, it’s fascinating to see what flair the Fleischers put into their work. Here are some additional recommendations from Fleischer Studios:

Superman: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLydQRjWSfL5cXxt6hgOvU...

Betty Boop as Snow White (with rotoscoped dancing from Cab Calloway): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKOSJ5AAwfc


The Betty Boop vids with Cab Calloway music (ie for Minnie the moocher, st James infirmary) are all fantastic. Really hammers home how technological advances are not clean complete steps forward. There is a trade off in terms of quality or expression in the convenience/speed gained. I suppose handrawn animated films had not reached their peak yet but I still see some flair present in these thirties films that can't be found even during the Disney heyday of the nineties. And of course now animated cartoons have really taken a step back with the CGI stuff. Though perhaps AI will change this. Then the only thing lost will be this type of craftsmanship encoded in the human brain


This was one of the few things my siblings and I could watch when we visited my grandparents. I love the absurd cartoon physics, like turning into tank treads to travel across the desert.


Same here! Watched it in the 80s, and to be fair I prefer this old quality animation over newly crisp one.


This cartoon is available on DVD in better quality. It's worth finding those DVDs, as they show the sheer brilliance of the Fleischer studio, especially in the early days.


Interestingly, the menu presented to Popeye is an example of a "Fold-in" that precedes MAD Magazine's Al Jaffe's Fold-ins. Obviously not as elaborate.


These type were known (if not very popular) way before this guy.


Not to be funny, but how would this be better than say IPFS? (perhaps the site shared is running it for all I know)


I'd love to see a mashup of this cartoon with Beastie Boys' "Rhymin' and Stealin'".


I was at a party (ps. get off my lawn) where some junkie (heroin) punk rockers found the most expensive and delicate sculpture in the house and dumped potato salad on it. They thought they were funny, and that it was "art" or something.. it lasted two seconds for them and they forgot about it until about two hours later when they faced the consequences (minor) . that fine ship model with unusual coloring was destroyed. That is roughly what I think of this Beastie Boys idea, the loudest and stupidest thing you can find. The reason BB is great is how loud, and stupid, it is. Go do your two minutes of fun, but I dont want to know about it, honestly.


Meanwhile, I don’t want to know about how you don’t want to know about it.


perfect! I agree no one wants to know about my art life. Maybe a peer-to-peer share of animations is exactly the answer for that! Second, the point was not "what I personally care about" but rather "low effort mashups" .. apologies for smearing my own opinion on that / sloppy commenting - I think this is very relevant to the AI / generative Art situation going on right now


Sheeeit, if it’s gonna be that kinda party…


no, not that kind of party.. empty four walls warehouse for all of that.. go for it! But honestly back to the subject of you know, art, and stupid two second "mashups" .. isnt there some kind of balance between that cartoon, versus dumping your favorite brainless and overwhelming entertainment over it for a thrill? Isn't the current digital art situation at all similar, where hundreds of hours of labor are fed into a grinder to put some meme on it?




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