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[runarberg]

US doesn’t even need to lead by example. Not killing world saving international agreements such as the Kyoto protocol, would be a good start.

[pstuart → runarberg]

Yes it does. It had made itself "the world's police" and has a long and sordid history in interfering with the affairs of other nations.

But for the sacrifices and investments required, it's ludicrous to say "this needs to be done" and not actually do it.

[runarberg → pstuart]

You are right, I was overemphasizing the role the USA had in destroying an agreement the world signed onto (and watering down all subsequent agreements), and in doing so I undervalued the role of the largest historic polluter has in actually lowering emissions.

[pstuart → runarberg]

Thanks for the follow up -- it's frustrating to not reach consensus when you think you're right (and yes, I'm prepared to be wrong if the argument is persuasive enough).

[RcouF1uZ4gsC → runarberg]

Did any country live up to their Kyoto commitments?

[jacquesm → RcouF1uZ4gsC]

'Just asking questions'...

[mistermann → jacquesm]

'Just using thought terminating means to terminate thinking and maximize persuasion'... I mean, it could work, but what if it doesn't? Is there some point that we start thinking about a Plan B?