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I'm not familiar with the law of rent, but it does not seem accurate. Right now blue collar workers can't afford to rent within a 60 minute commute to Boston, where they are not paid a wage that justifies that commute. Why would you cook or clean in Boston when you could do it literally anywhere else in MA without the commute?

I guess my point is that markets continually prove to not be rational. Maybe a philosopher hundreds of years ago imagined they could be, but that's not how things are shaking out.




> Why would you cook or clean in Boston when you could do it literally anywhere else in MA without the commute?

Because that's where you have your social connections. Friends, family. That's where your home is, your parents lived there, your grandparents lived there, you grew up there. And you hold out for better times. And that's why you can be exploited like that.

That's the "not rational" part. The humans participating in the market are not "rational", for some odd definition of the word. But if you think through motivations, they are rational, if you put value in the reasons why people do this kind of job in this kind of situation.


No the "not rational" part is that wages are not commensurate with cost of living increase because short term thinking yielding record profit margins is addictive.

Workers are leaving because they can't afford it, not because they want to stratify their families and leave their homes.

For those thinking this is the market successfully working: has the market successfully worked in the Bay Area? How does SF look right now?


> No the "not rational" part is that wages are not commensurate with cost of living increase because short term thinking yielding record profit margins is addictive.

Wages are where the two parties met. It's high enough so the seller of the good (employee) is ok with selling and it's low enough so the buyer of the good (employer) is ok with buying. As long as they do business with each other, they are apparently both deciding, rationally, that this is an acceptable deal. Better than the alternative.

> Workers are leaving because they can't afford it, not because they want to stratify their families and leave their homes.

Great that they are leaving! They should be leaving! Cause then, and only then, will businesses be driven closer to raising wages since the sweet spot in the above equilibrium moves upwards.

> For those thinking this is the market successfully working: has the market successfully worked in the Bay Area? How does SF look right now?

Well in the Bay Area, the market is highly distorted. Lots of NIMBY zoning rules preventing high density housing being built. People sitting on detached homes because they can't afford to move. This heavily distorts housing costs which then impacts salaries since all those tech workers need to live somewhere. Big tech and VC-funded not-as-big tech is floating in money, so can afford to push salaries/compensation higher and higher. It's the market, but it's not pretty and it's heavily distorted.


In the case of the Boston cleaner, that seems to indicate the living costs can also drive salary. If nobody applies to work somewhere, the wages either go up or the job goes unfilled.


> In the case of the Boston cleaner, that seems to indicate the living costs can also drive salary. If nobody applies to work somewhere, the wages either go up or the job goes unfilled.

When one job salary doesn't cover living costs, you are more likely forced to have two or three, not a raise in your current one. It also solves problem of unfilled jobs. Because there are cases when job is only economically feasible if performed in urban area with high population density, so you can't really change your location.


When then starts happening the politicians start screaming about how we need more immigrants (who are willing to live 5 to a 1 bedroom apartment and suffer a brutal commute).


Why do you believe this to be a market failure?


Just for sake of argument, let’s say it is market failure. But what will correct it first, the market or a new law passed by Congress?


Is no one cleaning in Boston? It seems pretty easy to test whether it’s a market failure (ie, there are no cleaners cleaning in Boston).

I think if you ask anything vs “new law passed by Congress” I’m going with anything. So at least the invisible hands will eventually solve this problem by raising cleaner pay until someone is willing to commute 60 minutes (note that was my commute in a larger metro area on programmer pay) or cleaners can afford closer.




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