> Well not 3 times. If you count it like that, that means you dismiss and ignore the revolution, the civil war and all the people who were not happy about the fact that some mob had stolen their country.
I find it strange that the people in this civil war, where somehow instantly trained on complicated Russian military equipment, procured enough of this equipment to fight and then when they captured enough ground they eventually installed get this.
A former Russian FSB agent as the head of the military. Thats totally what happens in a totally 'real' civil war right.
> trained on complicated Russian military equipment
What complicated Russian military equipment? Hypersonic missiles? Any other equipment designed in Russian Federation that was actually used in combat even after the full-scale war had started? Or is it all old Soviet stuff, the same stuff that Ukraine uses? The country that had conscription service which implies that a substantial number of adult men in Ukraine are trained to operate this equipment?
> procured enough of this equipment to fight
Donetsk had military installations. Even a whole military academy, AFAIK. Though I don't doubt that Russia had started supplying DNR under the table at some point.
> A former Russian FSB agent as the head of the military.
Seizing an opportunity for themselves. Given the specific ideological matter along which the Ukraine had been torn, this isn't an unimaginable thing.
> Thats totally what happens in a totally 'real' civil war right.
Define "real"? Is the civil war in Syria real? Was the civil war that had collapsed the Russian Empire real? If it is the foreign influence that confuses you - that is actually an expected thing: In most cases the sides of the civil war gravitate to nearest opposing poles of power, with the exception for secluded places like America.
It's important not to be dismissive of the fact that the root cause of all the problems is that people in Ukraine can not agree on a sustainable way to run their country and that people in Donbas have no less rights then the people who pushed for the revolution. Everything else is just bullshit that distracts everyone from what's important - the people.
> Define "real"? Is the civil war in Syria real? Was the civil war that had collapsed the Russian Empire real? If it is the foreign influence that confuses you - that is actually an expected thing: In most cases the sides of the civil war gravitate to nearest opposing poles of power, with the exception for secluded places like America.
A war that isn't started by a foreign power to try and destabilise the country is what id call a 'real' civil war, and it's clear the one in Ukraine was started by Russia.
> It's important not to be dismissive of the fact that the root cause of all the problems is that people in Ukraine can not agree on a sustainable way to run their country and that people in Donbas have no less rights then the people who pushed for the revolution. Everything else is just bullshit that distracts everyone from what's important - the people.
The root cause for a lot of it is Russian interference just like it is in what is it now? 4?, 5? post soviet states now.
> and it's clear the one in Ukraine was started by Russia.
Clearly it wasn't Russia who started a revolution in Ukraine, was it? This is just going in circles, really. You are just avoiding the wrong-think of even assuming that just as there were people passionate about Euromaidan, there might have been others that had the opposite view. You are denying the nature of what a revolution is.
> Russian interference just like it is in what is it now? 4?, 5? post soviet states now.
Well sure, the Soviet Union had been dissolved like shit and Russia will inevitably be tied into every other issue, that's one of the reasons CSTO exist.
Honestly, if "interference" is actually a principal problem, it is kinda ironic that it's only Russia that bothers you.
I find it strange that the people in this civil war, where somehow instantly trained on complicated Russian military equipment, procured enough of this equipment to fight and then when they captured enough ground they eventually installed get this.
A former Russian FSB agent as the head of the military. Thats totally what happens in a totally 'real' civil war right.