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Russian militias with Russian military hardware shot down a plane which had 192 Netherlands people on board and there was no response from Netherlands, besides a 8 year long "legal action" which issued arrest warrants.

At minimum they should have sent a squad for the commander who ordered the firing and who is a big social media star today on Russian Telegram.




Yes, I'm sure starting a war was exactly what was needed at the time. The question really is if we had done that - and there were plenty of voices calling for just that - if the Ukraine situation would have improved or gotten worse. You could make pretty strong arguments either way.


There was no need for war to send a message. Taking tailored action against the SAM crew, leadership, associates and families would be sufficient and may have been happening already. Ukraine is orthogonal to the issue.


I'm pretty sure Russia would have absolutely loved such a pretext.


If Russia wanted a pretext to start a war with NATO, they would have invented one already by now.


> leadership

Including Putin? How would this work?




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