Babi Yar is one of the single largest massacres of Jews during WW2. Some 30,000 Jews died in the first two days of the massacre. The overall SS commander in charge, Paul Blobel, was sentenced to death at Nuremberg.
The event is widely remembered as a massacre of Jews. It's acknowledged by Ukraine as well. This is not "a Russian fake" and there is plenty of evidence for it.
As I can see in Nuremberg Trials, Babi Yar was mentioned twice:
18 October 1945, Berlin
In the Crimea peaceful citizens were gathered on barges, taken out to sea and drowned, over 144,000 persons being exterminated in this manner.
In the Soviet Ukraine there were monstrous criminal acts of the Nazi conspirators. In Babi Yar, near Kiev, they shot over 100,000 men, women, children, and old people. In this city in January 1942, after the explosion in German Headquarters on Dzerzhinsky Street the Germans arrested as hostages 1,250 persons—old men, minors, women with nursing infants. In Kiev they killed over 195,000 persons.
In Rovno and the Rovno region they killed and tortured over 100,000 peaceful citizens.
20 November 1945, Nuremberg:
In the Crimea peaceful citizens were gathered on barges, taken out to sea and drowned, over 144,000 persons being exterminated in this manner.
In the Soviet Ukraine there were monstrous criminal acts of the Nazi conspirators. In Babi Yar, near Kiev, they shot over 100,000 men, women, children, and old people. In this city in January 1941, after the explosion in German headquarters on Dzerzhinsky Street the Germans arrested as hostages 1,250 persons—old men, minors, women with nursing infants. In Kiev they killed over 195,000 persons.
In Rovno and the Rovno region they killed and tortured over 100,000 peaceful citizens.
Where can I find more information about the Babyn Yar crime that was presented on the Nuremberg Trials?
To clear this up, because open Holocaust denial is never OK:
Thousands of jews were indeed murdered at Babi Yar, you can find their names online [0]. Paul Blobel [1] was executed at Nuremberg for this. No serious source disputes the killing of jews at Babi Yar, be it the US, Germany (where this matter went to court), Israel, Ukraine, or Russia.
I couldn't find any connection between the names on the list and the people who lived in Kiev during the war.
Prior to the war, there were 224,000 Jews living in Kiev, and approximately 200,000 were evacuated to the east. Around 40,000 Jews remained, including my grandmother. This is a relatively small number of people that can be verified.
It's your fault that you deny the widely accepted Babi Yar massacre and call it "a Russian fake", exactly what Holocaust deniers do. If the shoe fits...
So in your opinion, countries such as all of Europe (Germany included), the US, Israel, etc are all part of this conspiracy?
Look at this situation through my eyes. I currently reside in the Rivne region. Roughly 20 years ago, I had a conversation that went something like this:
"I know that many Jews were shot by Germans in the Rivne region."
"Yes. They are buried in the Sosenki area. We can drive there in a car. Would you like me to introduce you to relatives who can tell you more about it?"
"No, that's not necessary. Where are the Kiev Jews who were shot in Babi Yar buried?"
"I don't know. Isn't your mother from Kiev? You should know where your relatives are buried."
"I don't know anything about them. I'll ask my mother."
Later on:
"Mom, do you know anyone from our acquaintances who was shot in Babi Yar?"
"The Germans shot Ukrainians in Babi Yar, but it was forbidden to talk about it in the Soviet Union, just like with the Holodomor, or else you would be arrested."
I am a descendant of Jews who lived in Kiev during World War II. But I know nothing about the Jews who were shot in Babi Yar. My relatives or acquaintances do not know either. My search led me to the grave of Ukrainians who were shot in Babi Yar and buried near the radio mast. This grave is visible in aerial reconnaissance photographs.
If you know who was shot and where they are buried, please tell me. I would be grateful. We can erect a monument at this location.
Also weird how someone supposedly so deeply informed has somehow missed both the existing memorial and the year-long fights over building additional ones and has no clue where they might be placed?
So, we are aware of this memorial, but we don't know why it stands there. Nobody is buried beneath that memorial. It could be placed anywhere, even on the Moon. It's just a stone structure.
Furthermore, the Security Service of Ukraine warns[0] us that this memorial is being built by Russians in order to discredit Ukraine. And we completely agree with them.
I don’t think the post above makes a good point because there’s no links to evidence. They talk about “declassified archives”, “US spy plane”. Like, what is that? Saying “Russian lies” 10 times in every paragraph doesn’t turn a rant into compelling argument.
I mean, I get it, the poster above is Ukrainian and wants to turn every discussion in a certain direction. It’s just there’re many places on the internet they can vent.
