> With Telegram you have a guarantee that it is not E2EE in group chats and single chats if you don't opt into a way worse UX/features.
You're saying this as if you have a guarantee that WhatsApp's E2EE is 100% correct. At least with Telegram, I know what data the app is collecting, where it's going and how it's being stored on the device.
> True for Whatsapp as well, it's funded by business accounts and perhaps other parts of facebook
> I'm sorry, but that's not a good example. It doesn't even count as a legitimate client.
why not?
After all the client uses the multi-device API like the official client does
> You're saying this as if you have a guarantee that WhatsApp's E2EE is 100% correct.
I am not saying it like that. I am explicitly saying that with Telegram you have the guarantee that it is not E2EE, while there at least exist the possibility of WhatsApp being E2EE.
I'm sorry, but that's not a good example. It doesn't even count as a legitimate client.
> Which is?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Telegram_in_Russia
https://hongkongfp.com/2020/07/05/exclusive-telegram-to-temp...
https://www.vice.com/en/article/a3yavb/russia-blocks-telegra...
https://sensortower.com/blog/hong-kong-protests-app-download...
> With Telegram you have a guarantee that it is not E2EE in group chats and single chats if you don't opt into a way worse UX/features.
You're saying this as if you have a guarantee that WhatsApp's E2EE is 100% correct. At least with Telegram, I know what data the app is collecting, where it's going and how it's being stored on the device.
> True for Whatsapp as well, it's funded by business accounts and perhaps other parts of facebook
Assumption again.