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Of your last line, this sounds like an absolute win-win, right?



You can achieve that effect with salt, msg and/or marmite (depending on what sort of flavour you're going for). Inversely, there's things you can achieve with actual stock that you can't with any of those, mostly related to the texture.

If you don't know what's going on, it can be quite dispiriting to read about restaurant-style sauces, learn that one of the key ingredients is stock, and then fail to replicate the effect because the stock you're getting isn't the real deal. These days I just make my own stock (it's dead easy) and freeze it in ice cube trays for easy portioning.


Marmite is yeast extract.


Yes, it is for most people. A minority of people don't like it though for a variety of reasons, mostly taste. But for them (more expensive), alternatives are available.


Yes, if you throw away all the nutritional concerns...


Does well-made stock actually have significant nutrition in it? Serious question.


Yes, per the article -- the reason store-bought stock (minimum water-to-protein ratio 1:135) never reduces to a gelatin (like homemade) is that the homemade has Much higher protein content.

It's hard to know what other dimensions of healthiness apply to homemade over store bought.


> Yes, per the article -- the reason store-bought stock (minimum water-to-protein ratio 1:135) never reduces to a gelatin (like homemade) is that the homemade has Much higher protein content.

How much of an effect on my nutrition will replacing the stock part of my typical recipe with water have?

I'd be highly surprised if it were at all meaningful. I don't add stock for nutrition, I add it for the taste.


The reason you care about the protein is completely unrelated to nutrition, though. Rather, it's because of the flavour and mouth feel.


Can we just say texture?

This weird phrase ‘mouth feel’ that ‘foodies’ have started to use is weird and subjectively to me, gross.

No professional chef or restauranteur uses the phrase ‘mouth feel’ it’s a weird internet phrase that has caught on a bit.

Texture. Taste. Temperature.

Mouth feel, tongue feel, heat feel.


It's been 20 years since I've heard "mouth feel", based on some food projects going on in the lab where I did my PhD. I don't think it was a new term then. Maybe it's bled into the world of internet foodies recently, I have no idea, but it's not a new term


Foodies may have 'just' started using it, but it's a term of art in the Food service/Food science world.

It's not like computing doesn't have a lot of terms that seem redundant or over complicated if you aren't experienced with it.


I get you but I believe mouth-feel is more than texture, for example it's the crunchiness of crisps in your mouth, and temperature alone doesn't cover the coolness of menthol.

I certainly agree with you that a lot of pretentious long words are taking over from short words that do a perfectly good job, and it sucks.


You used the perfect existing word for crunchiness. Crunchiness.

But this is my personal hill and I’ve already built the mausoleum!


I'm willing to die on this hill with you provided we also take up arms against the phrase "flavor profile".


Though your mouth is reporting good feedback on things that seem to have good nutritional value right? Of course you can easily confuse it (eg with lots of sugar), I just mean the distinction you're making might not be needed.


You can add powdered gelatin if you want the body of homemade.




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