On: In the past, I've had students call my problem sets “emotionally trying”

[blackbear_]

I believe that a lot of this cynicism comes after years of teaching and seeing that most students do not really care about the topic and do not want to put in more than the minimum effort required to pass. You don't realize how easy it is to tell apart those who are interested from those who are not until are on the other side.

[loudmax → blackbear_]

Agreed, but part of the teachers' job is to impart that curiosity and interest onto their students. That is hard to do, and only the very best teachers actually manage to do this.

[gadders → loudmax]

Yeah, maybe when your younger than 16 or 18. If you're at Uni you're an adult and it's on you to study.

[volemo → gadders]

If so, why have teachers at all? Give those freshmen adults a syllabus in the beginning of the semester and conduct exams at the end. ”Those who are smart and motivated will get it, and heck with the rest.”

[gadders → volemo]

They still have a role in explaining the material and answering questions, but it's not their job to motivate students to study their subject.

[xboxnolifes → gadders]

Seems unnecessary, we have books.

[gadders → xboxnolifes]

They're not very interactive.

[freejazz → volemo]

They aren't teachers, they are professors.

[sillywabbit → blackbear_]

Plenty of new faculty are more interested in research than teaching too.

[martopix → sillywabbit]

The system is unfortunately unfair to everyone, in the sense that it's an unfair expectation for people to love and be good simultaneously at teaching and research. I met many people that want to do research (because of passion or because that's what gets you a career) and are bothered by teaching; I've also met people, including myself, who prefer teaching to research, and it's unfair that neither of these groups can express their skill properly.

I predict that in the future there will be more of a separation of careers, especially at the bachelor level, where having an instructor that knows the state of the art of research is not so necessary (although I'd argue that they should have a PhD). This is already happening a bit, say, in the UK, especially in fields like CS where courses are required also in other degrees curricula.

[karmelapple → martopix]

Talking with my partner just now, it seems like some universities in the USA practice this now. Some colleges at Iowa State University seem to have professors that have very low research expectations, and they typically teach the 100 and 200-level classes. Those teachers seemed to have packed lecture halls, since those profs truly care about teaching and don’t have the stress of constantly producing papers from a large lab.

[sillywabbit → karmelapple]

Those are term faculty. They typically aren't paid well.

[yodsanklai → sillywabbit]

> Plenty of new faculty are more interested in research than teaching too.

Partly, because they're evaluated on research.

[sillywabbit → yodsanklai]

But are being paid by tuition revenue, from people who expect them to teach.

The US needs more national labs for people who want to do research but don't want to teach.

[zem → sillywabbit]

and better pay and tenure options for people who don't want to do research but are good at and put significant amounts of work into teaching.

[sillywabbit → zem]

I agree. I was envisioning that after we shipped the people who don't like teaching off to national labs that the universities would just focus on teaching and could pay those people better.