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Literally anywhere in Europe outside of Poland or Hungary ?



Welcome to Bulgaria, my friend. The most progressive country in the World!

In all seriousness, if the parent commenter is expecting modern US woke-inspired progressive policies to be driving decision-making anywhere in Europe, they will be disappointed. (I don't like throwing the word "woke" around but have no better way to summarize the difference between the modern progressive movement and the original progressive movement in the US).


Bulgaria has single payer health care, it's to the left of most leftist states in the USA.

And it's funny you recognize the usage of "woke" as problematic, but you still use it. Actual liberal politics means schools, roads, health care, climate, etc. It means a social safety net and labour protections. All of that are universal in Europe while most of it is completely lacking, as I said in even the most "liberal" parts of the US.

Confusing policy (what matters) with social media arguments about what a woman is defined as is a distraction. It's meant to divide people that otherwise agree. Don't play into that game.


Bulgaria has a _terrible_ single payer health care system, an astonishing level of corruption, a powerful mafia that basically controls the government, widespread racism against the gypsies, dislike for anything LGBT, and many more not so liberal things. Cherry-picking the single payer health care system is silly.

If you haven't noticed, I am talking about modern-day progressives, not liberal policies. The term "woke" describes best the difference between liberals/the original progressives and the modern type of progressives obsessed with race, sex, gender, and such.


> modern type of progressives obsessed with race, sex, gender, and such

In my experience, left wingers want civil rights for all the above, but are far from "obsessed" with those groups. Right wingers on the other hand..


Both movements in the US are very neoliberal.

The US doesn’t have a real “left” movement. It has a center movement at most.

Most posters here are talking about economics - which have little to do with “woke” anything.


By the "original movement" I mean Woodrow Wilson and such, which was not neo-liberal. The modern progressive movement is still left-leaning, at least by American standards (yes, quite different from European).




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