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Is anyone familiar with how Google Fiber Webpass works?

Is there a reason this isn't viable in remote areas?

Can it only beam internet pretty short distances?



I believe webpass is based on line of sight wireless. And they connect a whole buildings with one shared radio package.

Remote areas often don't have lots of tall buildings with many inhabitants and line of sight above the treeline. I know my semi-rural area is full of trees and hills and line of sight wireless would really only have potential for people with waterfront, and realistically, only for people with waterfront and a view towards the nearby city.


I live in rural UK and have wireless from a network on church steeples. It is quite flat here relatively.


Webpass is really only offered in largeish residential buildings as far as I'm aware (I have webpass service, though my condo building only has 90 units so it's not particularly large, and I suspect most people are with Xfinity anyway...).

I imagine the fixed cost for the microwave unit doesn't make sense otherwise.

If you're talking about microwave point to point to a cell tower that then provides 5g or LTE... Well that's how most cell towers work, I think...


Anything that runs over fiber isn’t viable for remote areas due to cost of trenching and laying out fiber.


Cook County MN is a little over 3000 square miles, half of which is water, and has a population a little over 5000 people. I own a patch of forest there. It has gigabit fiber service.

The local power company is a co-op because none of the usual power companies wanted to serve the area. About twenty years ago the co-op decided that this whole "internet" thing is probably not a fad, and they started pulling fiber everywhere through their existing utility corridors whenever they had to touch something. It was a good idea. It is _intensely_ rural, yet high speed internet access is now ubiquitous.


I guess it depends on your definition of remote. In my area theres fiber being run all over the place, and it's not like middle of Montana rural, but there was 0 internet providers here before and now there's awesome fiber.


My understanding is Webpass is millimeter wireless point-to-point.

I was wondering how far apart nodes can be.

I'm reading that they can be up to 10km apart - so it seems like something that could be an option for a lot of communities.


Except they were able to get phone lines into most of these "remote" places in the past.


Sunk cost at the same time as electric & water lines were trenched, while the road was built, paid for by the initial developers of the areas (and added to the cost of homes). For this house, that happened somewhere in the early 90s. Digging it all open again is what would cost a lot.

Yes, if there's new development somewhere, they could probably get fiber in pretty cheap, if the developers though that was worth it. That doesn't help anyone else much.


Webpass and similar services work well with line of sight. Even Starlink wants line of sight, but it's generally easier to get that up than across. What happens when a neighbor a mile away has a 3-story home or there's a hill?

With wireless spectrum, lower frequencies effectively travel farther because they don't get disrupted by objects as much. So 600-900MHz frequencies provide lots of coverage that's the backbone of our mobile phone networks, 1700-2100MHz were used to add more capacity in cities and suburbs, and now we're seeing 2.5-4GHz being used to provide new high-speed 5G services (5G+, 5G UC, or 5G UW depending on your carrier). On top of that, there's millimeter wave spectrum. There's a lot of it, but it's also 28-40GHz and going to be blocked by so much. Even if you're near a millimeter wave cell site, your walls might prevent it from working indoors. Lots of things become issues at millimeter wave so it's hard to do it without unobstructed line of sight (including trees and such) or really short distances.

Mobile phone carriers are already beaming internet far distances. They just have limited capacity in a lot of areas and people hate having their home internet connection limited. What we're seeing with 2.5-4GHz spectrum is pretty good capacity with some decent coverage, but we're still just talking a mile or two in a lot of situations. Of course, there are people hacking their T-Mobile Home Internet devices with high-gain directional antennas and really pushing that farther when they have near line of sight. I think we're likely to see this mid-band spectrum become a big factor in rural internet because it has a decent mix of distance and capacity. Millimeter wave spectrum is just hard to do without line of sight and so it often becomes limited to large buildings that an ISP can put a professionally installed antenna on the top of.

It's also that these things take time. If you're one of the big three wireless carriers, you're looking to upgrade 70,000-100,000 cell sites around the country and that doesn't happen overnight. It takes 3-6 years. To really get home internet good in many places, they might need more cell sites to supplement those. Realistically, I think it's a lot more likely that the big three wireless companies will hook up rural areas than Webpass. This is their business. Webpass (and others like Starry and NetBlazr) are somewhat limited because they don't have the spectrum to cover larger areas or even within cities where they don't have a tall building to give them line of sight. They also don't have the money or workforce to deploy as quickly as the wireless carriers (yes Google has money, but they're not going to spend $15B a year when they don't have the spectrum to create a viable rural strategy; the big three are spending that kind of money because they have the spectrum and network and potential to expand into home internet).

Wireless has a lot of promise, but the lower frequency you go the less spectrum there is available and the higher frequency you go the less distance you're going to get and the more you need line of sight. The big three wireless carriers have the lower frequency spectrum and network to start providing more and more home internet in the future. We're just at the first point where the big wireless carriers are starting to see excess network capacity (beyond what their mobile users will eat up) which is why it didn't happen much before.




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