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and then the power of greece waned, so...


Can you name anything that didn’t wane after several hundred years?


Good point, but challenge accepted:

The Papacy.


Protestant Reformation

The Roman Catholic Church had quite significant swings in power over time.


Certainly the Catholic Church has had significant swings, I take your point, but so far it has never waned into irrelevancy.

I counter your Protestant Reformantion point with the Catholicization of Latin America.


Compare the power the church had in Europe in say 1200 vs Latin America in 2022 and there is no contest it’s vastly weaker today.

Total membership is up, total wealth is up, actual power isn’t.


It's always an eye opener to see the crowds of people worldwide when the pope visits.


In the case of Athens, it was only 61 years between Socrates being accused of "corrupting the youth" and Athens being conquered by the much more rural and conservative (small c) Macedonians.


The propensity of things to wane.


And correlation does not imply causation, so...




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