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I know it’s not a fair parallelism, but I can’t help to think how laughable it is when Google calls out anyone for spyware, privacy violations, zero days, CVEs, etc.

Google doesn’t even manage their own App Store for spyware. They don’t play fair on disclosures. They violate public trust all the time with tracking users when they say they don’t. They shutdown GCP accounts with zero chance of support.

Google really just needs to stay quiet and work on improving their search results. I think they would find it surprising that the less they say and do would actually improve their public support. The Google engineers can keep getting paid to do nothing and the public support and trust would go up.




> Google doesn’t even manage their own App Store for spyware.

Why do you state such things as facts given no evidence.

Google has a whole team working on analyzing app store malware. It is called Project Zero.

As a counter example you can read their very latest blog post which just happens to analyze android app store malware:

https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2022/11/mind-the-gap....


Indeed it sounds hypocritical to state "Google and TAG will continue to take action against, and publish research about, the commercial spyware industry.", while not including Google itself in the said industry.


It does smell like an attempt to redefine "spyware" to mean a subset of "cyber crime", instead of its original meaning, which now covers most of "legitimate" adtech and software telemetry.


It sounds to me like you insist that "spyware" has a different meaning than the majority in this thread.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyware#History:

> The first recorded use of the term spyware occurred on October 16, 1995 in a Usenet post that poked fun at Microsoft's business model. Spyware at first denoted software meant for espionage purposes.


I'm insisting it has the meaning that... the entire Wikipedia article you linked uses.

You quoted the beginning of the first paragraph of the History section, but the full paragraph reads:

> The first recorded use of the term spyware occurred on October 16, 1995 in a Usenet post that poked fun at Microsoft's business model. Spyware at first denoted software meant for espionage purposes. However, in early 2000 the founder of Zone Labs, Gregor Freund, used the term in a press release for the ZoneAlarm Personal Firewall. Later in 2000, a parent using ZoneAlarm was alerted to the fact that Reader Rabbit, educational software marketed to children by the Mattel toy company, was surreptitiously sending data back to Mattel. Since then, "spyware" has taken on its present sense.

I wasn't aware of the earlier, truly original meaning - actual espionage. That doesn't change the fact that for the past 20+ years, the common meaning - dare I say, original mainstream one - encompassed every kind of hidden tracking, data collection and exfiltration, almost none of it being part of actual espionage, but rather most of it being in service of targeting ads.




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