I fucking hate MS branding, every fucking name confused into multiple services (remember Skype vs Skype for business ? That was different tech stack?) I thought he was talking about outlook.office365.com.
Also, outlook.com redirects to outlook.live.com/owa ....
We had the first rollout of that feature, where it was just "" and only on the web. It was weird, being able to "like" email messages but no one saw it unless they opened the web client.
But that's nothing compared to "the new Outlook"[1] being a webview around the Outlook.com UI library. It looks really nice in concepts but once installed it just feels like a browser in a frame: there's a window-sized splash screen, the fonts are "browser-y" (i.e.: wrong smoothing compared to Office), controls "feel" web, etc. I usually like Office Insider but once that rolled out I immediately reverted.
I would be shocked if the new Outlook was Electron and not WebView2. Is there any confirmation on that or is Electron the new "Rollerblade" and "Band-aid" for wrappers?
Teams is just a an Electron (AKA Chrome shit-client) program. So nothing can be done, unless they want to re-write the program from scratch. I'm not saying the current situation is acceptable, its not. But when you choose Electron, you more or less doom your product to having awful performance forever.
Well, that's one very opinionated take.
Yes, it's still web-based, but the parent's point is that it uses the WebView2 that comes with Windows instead of maintaining and shipping a separate Electron instance. That ought to be a net positive in any case.
OK, so Microsoft copy pasted the Chromium codebase, made some minor changes, built it, then include that build with Windows.
How is that any better than the current situation? Its actually worse, since now that version will get old quite fast, unless Microsoft decides to also do forced updates like Google does.
> How is that any better than the current situation?
The main benefits are that the apps should be faster, smaller, and use less resources as they don't include the whole of Electron (Chrome) with each one. So ideally massively less resource usage as so much is shared.
Running VS Code and Teams at the same time, for instance, would ideally use around half of the resources (a naive guess but you see the point).
As you allude to, though, it relies on MS keeping it updated but I would hope they take that seriously as if it takes off then one late update leaves multiple apps vulnerable. It remains to be seen.
If they got rid of outlook, then I'd have to find a new email address to give away to every signin place that wants my email and I suspect will email me promotional garbage (or sell my email).
I guess this means that I'm reducing the signal they get for what "good" email is, as approximately 100 percent of the emails I get there are promotional or spam.
The SWEEP feature of outlook is the ultimate email spam feature. If you've never used it, try it and your spam problem will be poof in a few clicks.
It's a pity sweep is desktop web only.
Their email alias feature is cool, allows you to change your login ID retroactively.
I wish they'd take it a step further by allowing me to set a login-only ID e.g. the login ID cannot be used to send nor receive emails (security by obscurity).
The difference is I hardly ever see spam on Gmail and Fastmail. Whereas outlook it's 10 delivered every 4hours that the Android app notifies me for! And stuff that should be easily identifiable as spam too.
Steadily growing spam sent to my Inbox. Delivery issues I have not had those recently but 3 years or so ago my job offer letter was not received. I was kinda spooked after that.
OK, thanks. well, that is indeed quite unfortunate.. regarding things like lost job offers and the like.. Sad state of affairs, i mean e-mail in 2022. But, as an mail-service operator myself, i feel like i can understand, more or less, both sides dealing with the spam issue.
