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[flagged] Entering Twitter HQ – let that sink in (twitter.com/elonmusk)
64 points by mfiguiere on Oct 26, 2022 | hide | past | favorite | 65 comments



Seems like a win-win for me. Either he actually makes Twitter better or he completely destroys it. The internet would be better off either way.


third option, twitter destroys the <insert hyperbolic predicted thing here>


Since the worst is probably going to happen this means he will make no discernable changes.


Though we will be subject to a lot of irritating social media drama and pointless public controversy despite no material changes.


Probably one of the worst investment decisions (outside of cryptocurrency) that I’m aware of. 40 billion dollars for a platform with such negligible reach and even lower potential for monetization?

On the other hand… If he can run Twitter into the ground I think he’ll be doing the world a service.


Do not misunderstand why he is doing this. He is doing this because (as anyone with even a partial understanding of the law would understand) is that the Delaware court case was going very very badly for him, and he did not want to be subject to discovery.


You're talking about the wrong "this". I think you're right, and that's why he went through with the purchase instead of fighting the lawsuit, but he was only facing that lawsuit because he moved to buy it in the first place. He didn't accidentally sign a bunch of paperwork to buy a company for $40bn, he at some point made a bunch of deliberate decisions.


Would you kindly expand briefly on what you are alluding to? I’m unaware of the court case. TIA.


The court case that was forcing him to buy Twitter as he was contractually obligated to do?

It was starting discovery, and he changed his mind about stalling more right fast.

In any case, time to spin up on Mastadon.


What is "discovery" in this context?


The part of the lawsuit where each side gets to request specific information in support of their case?


do you have recommendations on Mastadon servers to start with?


I'm not the one you asked, but it depends on your interests. It could also depend on what you're not willing to tolerate as defederation plays some role in what you will see.


You want to fire up a Mastodon server because I presume you're concerned with the loss of free speech on that platform? Do you think it was free prior to Elon's acquisition? Or are you only concerned about one particular type of speech when it comes to free speech?


Twitter failing to live up to tech utopian ideals in the face of their platform being used as the medium for a real life attempted coup is one thing.

Leaving free speech in the hands of Musk is another thing entirely.

I'm half expecting a freenode style implosion.


I think many/most criticisms of Twitter are valid, but "negligible reach"?


Well, according to Musk himself, a giant percent of claimed user base are bots.


> 40 billion dollars for a platform with such negligible reach...

It might have "negligible reach" amongst the general population, but it does seem to have an extraordinary amount of cultural power. Whatever upside there is, it seems like it's more like the one you get from bankrolling political candidates and paying to disseminate ideological propaganda.


100%. It may or may not sell products, be good for ads. Those engagements might not be ideal, for those stakeholders-bearing-checkbooks.

But it is by orders of magnitude highest radix connector of humanity we have. I've probably clicked fav on a million different people's tweets, I've probably written messages to tens of thousands of different people I've never met. I've seen multiple sides of millions of topics & synthesized my own opinion.

Nothing comes remotely close. Highest human engagement platform of all time.


Yeah, all the banks have made a pretty poor decision.

Unclear if Musk himself will lose any money once all "investors" pitch in. His change of tone in the past few weeks gives a hint on who would actually be funding this.


I am very happy that the person who describes themselves as “free speech absolutist” will be in charge of a platform such as Twitter.

This was obvious to me because I was born in USSR and I hope after the past two years it is more evident to those who grew up in free countries.


He talks the talk, but never walks the walk.

https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/24/stop-saying-elon-musk-su...


Once is fine but I hope you're not planning on spamming that link throughout this thread (this is now the 2nd time I see you've linked it)


Keep in mind that he DESCRIBES himself as that.

Look at his actions, not words.


Heard this many times since the whole Musk/twitter thing started, yet no one actually comes up with any action he did.

Especially on twitter itself its a very common "argument", usually followed by the burden of proof fallacy calming that it is "common knowledge" and its up to me to research if I dont already know the free speech "wrongdoings" of Musk.


Well don't leave us in the dark...

What actions have you noticed that contradicts his statements?

So we can debate whether or not you came to the right conclusion in interpreting said actions.

Or were you just making general hand waving statements?


>What actions have you noticed that contradicts his statements?

More than once I've seen people cite Musk blocking certain Twitter users as "proof" that he is not pro-free speech.

The mental leaps needed to go from individual autonomy on who to interact with, and imposing such norms across an entire user base, boggle the mind.


agree. Track record says way more than words.


There is apparently already a narrative war between NYT and WP(owned by Bezos) and Twitter(owned by Elon) if you look at recent replies by Elon to other people [1]

[1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/with_replies


> between NYT(owned by Bezos)

Bezos owns the Washington Post, not the New York Times.


Oops, my bad, and there was a tweet earlier this week about WP throwing narrative in Elon way, he replied about that too.


That's a decent pun.


I'm a little lost here. Why was he carrying a sink? Was it just so he could use the line "let that sink in", or is there something else I'm missing?


That's correct. It's a bit of a meme on twitter where someone will make some statement, then that phrase. Eg "20k seagulls die every day from choking on keurig pods. Let that sink in." Musk is parodying that with a physical sink.


Yes, that's probably why. Musk likes dumb puns. Or maybe knows that his fans like them and that it gets attention without saying anything real.


yes. Let that "sink" in.


I'm looking forward to all the celebrity grandstanding about how they are leaving twitter and joining network X before crawling back to their accounts a week later to get another dopamine hit from the retweet and like counts.


Is a 75% headcount reduction enough?


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If he does lay off 75% of the staff as he's indicated Twitter would be profitable overnight.


And if you eject the gas tanks from a plane, it will fly a lot faster... for a time.


Truth, but any fighter pilot knows that when you're heading into fight you have to ditch the tanks. You can always refuel if you make it out.


Even more if he fires 100%! It will be so successful, just like the Model 3 assembly automation! What are people being paid for anyway?


I think it's a new unit of comparison. Oh this huge infrastructure project costs 10% of Twitter.


He already has lost so much money.

This decision is particularly bizarre decision considering it sets back his bailiwick of a multi planetary human species, probably the most expensive endeavor any can undertake.

In his pique he wasted 44 billion on Twitter, ostensibly to protect free speech of conservatives --people who don't even care about free speech.

Its like destroying your TV when your favorite sports team is losing.


Can he do anything at all without acting like a douche?


Welp, it was fun while it lasted.


It absolutely wasn't. Twitter has been a cesspit of rage bait and idiotic hot takes since it became popular.

I'm sure it's about to get a lot worse, but that doesn't mean it was ever good.


Twitter is much like Reddit in that if you actively avoid the shit, you won't get any on you and it's not that bad.


I haven't had that experience. Literally any tweet I've seen that has more than five comments has at least one toxic comment (or just some insane barely-related crypto rant).

Reddit, by comparison, has subreddits that are heavily modded and have no toxic comments at all. There is no heavily modded part of Twitter, unless I suppose you use it as a private social network and everyone you interact with is set to private.


Remember when the "mobile version" was just SMS? It was fun back then.

Fun fact: A couple of years ago, I wanted to see some of those first tweets I made over SMS, and they were gone. My guess is that they had major data loss at one point, and just never told anyone.


I keep my feed reverse-chronological (and avoid their "home" feed), and the worst thing I see in my feed is people complaining about all the rage bait. Their algorithmic feed tries to put "engaging" content in your face, but it's so easy to avoid that it honestly seems negligent that most people don't bother with the two clicks it'd take to make the change.

Yes it'd be better if that stuff didn't exist, but it's hardly as bad as other sites' feeds.


i've been on twitter since 2007. it's not going to get worse, because honestly, i don't think it's possible for twitter to actually get worse.

peak twitter, imho, was 2010~2012.


I met my wife on Twitter in that timeframe.


damn, what a coincidence.

i met my wife on twitter in 2008, started dating in 2010.


Because Twitter was a novelty back then my proposal made national headlines on TV and newspapers. My cousin in another state found out about it by seeing it on the national morning news. It was wild.


It’s lasted much longer than it was fun.


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Always the victim.

Even when Twitter was fighting for free speech in 2021 in India, Musk was on the opposite side saying that India is Twitter's third largest market, and it should follow government instructions. In 2022 Twitter challenged the Indian government with a lawsuit, and Musk called Twitter out.

Musk also fully endorsed EU's Digital Services Act, an internet regulation plan that Twitter opposed, calling it an attack on free expressions and human rights.

The list just goes on.

https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/24/stop-saying-elon-musk-su...


Indeed. If anything, Mr. Musk is only pro-wealth -- notably his. Looking at any of his statements through any other perspective is problematic.


I am still not sure what he really plans to accomplish,as it really isn't going to have any meaningful impact to improving anyone's lives except maybe online discourse on Twitter will be potentially more right wing than left wing (just like every other social media platform) with the purchase of Twitter.


Tweets will provide the training data for Neuralink wetware. Twitter will be the official default communications platform for when you're jacked in.


Who knows, maybe that's the long term plan.

In the medium term, Twitter might be the best place to train models on the zeitgeist of the moment. For whatever reason you'd want to do that.

My personal fanfic for neuralink is that it's the reason the Tesla bot has human like hands.


That's some bad fanfic.


We're living in it.


What? No we aren't.


> I am still not sure what he really plans to accomplish

Likewise, but it will be nice if he does follow through with turning the HQ into a homeless shelter.

Not particularly efficient, but nice.




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