Though with the dirtbag left now flirting with being "trad cath" and softening towards racial realism, it does seem like it's approach the intellectual fascism of the nazis.
This is incorrect in its facts and framing. I’m not going to get into a long political discussion, this doesn’t seem the place for it, but I would implore you to look further into this before you start throwing words like fascism and nazi around when you’re talking about people who basically want to give everyone free healthcare.
You can have authoritarian left and authoritarian right. That's not really related to healthcare. Authoritarians tend towards abuses of power - I kind of don't find it terribly relevant if millions were killed or imprisoned because of the differences in their ideals, which is what the horseshoe theory speaks to. What it speaks to is mainly that the methods - e.g. unconstrained power of an executive or government, become more similar than not as extremism increases. It's not really saying that the ideology necessarily comes to match, only that the ideology matters less than whatever horrible things are coming your way, beliefs be damned.
In the UK it’s the far left (Labour after it was taken over by Momentum) who’ve had major issues with antisemitism and ignored it for years until they were forced to take action. Thirty years ago it would have been the far right.
Momentum isn’t far left, the Communist Party of Britain is. Labour wasn’t taken over by Momentum, people that liked Corbyn joined Labour. And finally, antisemitism accusations were used cynically by the right of Labour for years, trying to equate anti-Zionism with antisemitism. Have a look at the Labour Files at least.
> Momentum isn’t far left, the Communist Party of Britain is.
If you support terror groups - and I mean in the strictest sense, as in people that attack civilians - you're on the far edge of politics. Before you shout that Corbyn was 'reaching out' to terrorists by saying they're his friends, that punishing people that killed innocent people in Brighton was a show trial, or laying wreaths at their funerals: everyone involved in Northern Ireland or the Middle East peace processes claims that Corbyn, a Labour back bencher at the time, had nothing to do with either of the Northern Ireland or the Middle East peace process.
> People that liked Corbyn joined Labour
Because of a Momentum campaign that cynically exploited a brief moment allowing anyone to join the Labour party for 5 pounds.
> antisemitism accusations were used cynically by the right of Labour for years
And obviously the far left is still denying them even after the party's own investigation found they had substance.
You’re just spitting out agitprop with no underlying point except “left bad.” It’s not well thought out or discussed with room to agree or disagree, or even based in fact, you’re basically just shouting into the void about something you don’t like. That brings down the level of discourse here, and belongs on Facebook where you can share memes with a bunch of smooth brained people that agree with you.
If you think my points are issues with the mainstream left rather than the far left I don’t think you’ve been reading the posts you keep writing replies to.
I’m not going to put effort into describing where and why you’re wrong, I don’t think talking to you is worth the effort. You’ll never change your beliefs.
Fair enough. I’ll point out as that as the person complaining about the level of discourse you’re the only person in this conversation that has resorted to insults and refused to address reasonable questions.
Yes, the Nazi state existed for the Volk[1], the Nazis' economic policy was that of privatization[2] and Social Darwinism. Universal healthcare as implemented in Germany in the 1800's covered more groups than what the Nazis considered the Volk, depending on the implementation, free universal healthcare flies in the face of economic privatization, and Nazis' Social Darwinism said that the weak who can't take care of themselves should be culled.
Nazis piggybacked on the popularity of socialist movements at the time, but the Nazis were explicitly not Marxist-inspired socialists, they say so themselves. According to them, they re-appropriated the word to redefine it to something else, an ideology opposed to socialism that was meant to empower the Volk[1].
According to the Nazis, Marxism, socialism and communism were Jewish conspiracies to weaken the Volk. They chose to redefine the popular term so that it is explicitly divorced from its Marxist origins to mean something else entirely. Marxist socialism is explicitly about workers owning the means of production, while Nazism exalts the Volk and seeks to restore the domination of the German people/Volk.
I don’t follow your logic- my statement was that that the nazis openly considered themselves socialists and class warfare was a huge part of nazi ideology. Your state that’s probably false - but then don’t prove either of those statements false. It’s entirely possible to fight between factions of the same side of politics.
Ridiculous. Like I said, goldfish brained thinking. If you read just a little bit and used some critical thinking, you could figure this out yourself but it sounds like you prefer to think what you currently think because it supports your current ideology.
Both the fascists and the nazi never considered themselves socialists.
This is proven by numerous quotes from mussolini, hitler, various party members and verified by historians.
The fact that both fascists and nazi imprisoned, tortured and killed socialists and communists (again, widely proven by historians) is perfectly aligned with that.
Additionally, both fascists and nazi never implemented policies or took actions that would be aligned with socialism.
Trump is not advocating for political violence? Huh. Well, I guess that's debatable.
I'd argue that his election related claims are exactly that, if the elections are fraudulent what alternatives are there to solve that but violence? What other alternative could there be if the other party has truly pulled off such a coup?
Trump also pushes extreme religious views, such as abortion bans (In fact, he claims the abortion ban to have been decided by God himself).
By that novel standard anyone else with an equally ridiculous conspiracy is calling for violence. Think Trump got in by secretly collating with Putin? Call to violence. Neither situation is how the far right, eg the BNP or German neo nazi groups would operate.
