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The benefits of breakfast cereal consumption (2014) (nih.gov)
30 points by oidar on Sept 4, 2022 | hide | past | favorite | 49 comments



"This review was commissioned and paid for by the Australian Breakfast Cereal Manufacturers Forum of the Australian Food and Grocery Council."


Good catch. I think sponsorships should always be disclosed in the abstract or introduction.


It was the first sentence of the second paragraph of the introduction.


Honestly not worth reading it at all knowing this.


And right below that:

"Author disclosures: P. G. Williams, no conflicts of interest."


Wouldn't the conflict of interest be that this person was paid by lobbyists for the article he wrote? I mean, I wonder what his defs. of conflicts of interest are? Sounds like they don't match mine.


Great eye. It should be part of public education to teach kids to question both whether or not something is true, and, "who benefits from me believing this is true"?


Definitely not reading all of that, but this sentence did jump out to me:

>Much of this effect is likely to be due to the fortification of many breakfast cereals.

Might as well take a multi-vit and skip the sugars & carbs...


But, the sugars and carbs are the only reason I get out of bed.


>Might as well take a multi-vit

Or don't. Makes little if any difference[0]

[0] https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/routine-vitamin-supplementa...


>For this review, “breakfast cereal” was defined to include ready-to-eat breakfast cereal (RTEC), oats/porridge, and muesli.

That's a very very broad definition. A proper müsli is miles away from a processed sugary junk food breakfast cereal (eg Froot Loops)


Agreed.

A cup of oats has everything from fiber to polyphenols to 11g protein to a respectable amount of minerals (zinc, manganese, copper, magnesium, selenium).

A cup of Frosted Flakes has almost no fiber and really nothing except whatever they fortified it with.


according to what I just read on wikipedia, the original meusli recipe from Dr. Bircher has 1 tablespoon oats.


My comment refers to "oats" in the quotation, something that can obviously replace sugary boxed cereals.

But, on your topic, modern muesli is more like an unroasted granola mix these days. Mostly grains like oats and nuts. The original recipe even prescribes the pit and core of an apple.


Every time I go to the grocery store and see all of the sugary breakfast cereal laid out, it reminds me of a candy aisle. I keep expecting a lot of it to actually become illegal and disappear because of the very excessive amount of sugar in most of them and the fact that they are marketed to kids as a daily staple.

Don't get me wrong, I love Corn-Pops and stuff, but I think it should be considered a dessert item for a weekend or something rather than something you feed to your kids every day.

There are plenty of cereals that are sweetened but are not going completely overboard like the old-fashioned ones, and I think that should be okay for breakfast.

There should be a cut-off on the proportional amount of sugar versus other ingredients.


Don’t even joke about making my Lucky Charms illegal. I’ve been eating it for breakfast for more than 50 years and plan on doing so until I die.


That’s awesome. Sometimes we very analytical people need to realize that life > lifespan.


I don’t think it will dramatically affect my lifespan. My doctor says I have the body of a 35 year old and my family almost always lives well into their 100s.


When I was young, in the late 90s, supermarkets here in the UK had an entire aisle just with breakfast cereals. Now my local supermarket has about six feet of them and that's it. Crazy how an entire food sector has just entirely collapsed. Literally the only people I see eating cereal now are doing it ironically (Momofuku etc.)


Definitely not the case in Canada. Still almost an entire aisle devoted to this particular kind of sugary junk food. Even in smaller grocery stores.


Depends on the store. Trader Joe's has 6 different boxes, when they have them at all.

Local chain has an entire aisle, often with 3 or 4 sizes of the popular ones. 100's of choices. Dozens of granolas. Fruity rings from every manufacturer you've heard of and several you haven't.

So alive and well in the US Midwest


Interesting. Here in the US, there is still more than an entire side of an aisle full of breakfast cereal (brand name cereal on one side and generic cereal on the other side). The aisle is probably 40 feet long.


It's still an entire aisle at my supermarket (granted, a big one) in the UK. I honestly wasn't aware that it had gone out of fashion. What are the cool kids eating instead now, avocado toast?


My seven-year-old's friends seem to eat porridge, toast, fruit, that kind of thing. Genuinely can't remember the last time I saw a child eat a bowl of cereal, and that's not some kind of weird principle of mine they eat plenty of other junk. Now I think about it I think it's also a changing attitude to milk, not just cereal. People don't seem to just consume milk like we did as children.


Yeah, I did some digging and UK per capita liquid milk consumption is down 50% since 1974. That's quite a drop.


My kids most frequently eat breakfast cereals at 9:30pm


“Breakfast cereal” encompasses Captain Crunch and Lucky Charms on one end of the spectrum, and Bran Flakes or oatmeal on the other, so expecting a consistent effect is a fool’s errand.


There was a time when nature was balancing human dietary habits and that is the base foundation.

Mass production, marketing departments and salespeople replaced food intakes based on their business results and the messages implanted into consumers heads are generating more sales.

Consumers don’t have the resources to make these kind of analysis and even so Kellogg's or Nestle would dim out their opposing communication.


Meet Cereal Killer... as in Froot Loops. But he does know things.

I wonder how much of these benefits are conferred by consumption of the cereal, and how much are due to the kind of person who eats breakfast cereal, especially as an adult, just preferring a low fat, high fiber diet.


> In addition to providing an important source of vitamins and minerals, breakfast cereals are also potentially important sources of antioxidants and phytoestrogens

Always make sure to get enough estrogen in your breakfast.


Searching for bad effects of phytoestrogen online seems to bring up inconclusive results.

But my first search regarding milk introduced it as an exogenous source of pure estrogen which is interesting in the context of breakfast cereals: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19496976/


So you avoid animal milk, then? That's even more compatible with humans than plant estrogens.


How about those of us that don't eat breakfast at all?


Intermittent fasting seems like a good idea


Cancer


Does Fruit Loops count?


cereals are out of fashion right now due to Bro Science on the internet, but most people of eurasian descent are literally evolved to eat cereal grain...yeah, in the last 5k year, very roughly, it was the basis of our diet


Processed sugary junk food that passes for "breakfast cereal" 80-90% of the time bears little to no resemblance to anything humans anywhere in the planet evolved to habitually consume.


That is curiously true of everything we eat. Even carrots and potatoes. Today's hybrids don't resemble anything we evolved to eat, by a wide margin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc4zFD3vWHU


Calling horticultural changes in crop plants comparable to clumps of ground grain mass manufactured and loaded with sugar is a bit absurd.

When humans begin to cultivate a population of wild plants, there's a new selective pressure on those plants to better serve human beings. As a result, these horticultural practices in almost all cases created more nutritious food for human beings. Modern issues such pressure to look good on a shelf rather than keep human beings healthy enough to till fields are a blip on the radar, an issue stretching back less than 100 years. All in all the food we bred more closely matches what our evolutionary path lead our bodies to demand nutritionally, because if it didn't the plant's wouldn't have been able to outcompete their wild counterparts, people would stop growing them.

The watermelon specifically in the video was an underripe watermelon.


Dream on.

The watermelon was cut to eat on a feast table. All indications are, it was the best they had.

Fantasies about 'eating paleo' and such are just that, fantasies. To eat like we did thousands of years ago, you'd be eating plants that were barely digestible with toxins and organic compounds designed to injure us. Because until we tamed them, the plant had no pressure (as you say!) to be nutritional.

No, boxed candy cereal is not good for you. But eat oatmeal then (which is a cereal). Which is digestible, because we modified it heavily.


I don't know what particular thing I said that you're responding to, besides the watermelon thing. Dream on? About what?


> cereals are out of fashion right now due to Bro Science on the internet

You're wrong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loren_Cordain

Call it bad science if you want, which you'll then have to defend, but it's not "bro" science.


> The data for Cordain's book only came from six contemporary hunter-gatherer groups, mainly living in marginal habitats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_diet


Your avg supermarket cereal is full of sugar. Is avoiding sugar bro science?

I generally eat porridge for breakfast, good enough.


Call me a “bro” but we don’t keep cereal in our house. My 3 year old has never had it to the best of my knowledge.

Sugar is everywhere and we do what we can to limit our intake.

I try to consume 30 grams of protein within the first hour of being awake and that would be difficult with cereal.


Oatmeal/overnight oats are as popular as ever.

Sugar-coated fiber-free dessert cereals are what’s out of fashion.

In case a language barrier problem is at cause: there are cereal grains but this study is about things like fruity pebbles.


"out of fashion" is so right. Just look at the herd of negative comments here.


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Fine, will elaborate:

> Regular consumption of breakfast cereals is associated with diets that are lower in fat

why is this necessarily a good thing?

> Regular consumption of breakfast cereals is associated with diets that are higher in vitamins and minerals for adults, adolescents, and children

is the subset of vitamins and minerals and the corresponding RDAs that they look at responsible for driving meaningful outcomes or do they just pick whatever's convenient?

> Regular consumption of breakfast cereals is associated with a greater likelihood of meeting recommended nutrient intakes

again, recommended nutrient intakes is very convenient considering they're derived from how nourished a population is, i.e: as a nourishment goes down so do the recommended levels.

> Consumption of breakfast cereals is associated with higher daily milk intake

Only thing so far that might actually be causal to health. Probably not though because the frankenmilk we consume today is not the raw milk we were consuming a century ago.

> Consumption of presweetened breakfast cereals does not increase the total daily energy intake in children’s diets

calories in/ calories out is not as useful as made out to be, there's quite little wrong with consuming a lot of calories if those calories are well utilised

> Consumption of breakfast cereals does not increase the total daily sodium intake

Sodium is an essential electrolyte/signaling ion. Too much is bad in the presence of insulin insensitivity. Too little is really bad if the individual is metabolcially sound for the most part.

> Consumption of presweetened breakfast cereals does not increase total daily sugar intake of children and adolescents

second one so far that might actually be a really good proxy

tl;dr: no idea how many of these are useful proxies for things that actually matter




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