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Well, sure it is a tabloid, but it's a real news from here. And I'm pretty sure it started a trend, even if it's not big enough to be reported yet.



Nothing, but nothing, about the Daily Mail constitutes _real_ news.


The Daily Mail is merely repeating a local article: https://www.eltribuno.com/salta/nota/2018-3-22-0-0-0-sergia-...


No it is not “merely repeating”. That article is extremely different from the Daily Mail’s version.


Why is it real news? Why are you certain of this person’s story and motivation? What makes you sure it started a trend? Where are the other reports?


Because it happened. Sergia finally retired at age 60, be it that she transitioned only because of it or not. Every May the 8th some newspaper reminds us of this, or maybe someone gets an interview with Sergia. I'm sorry if I only could get Daily Mail as the only english-speaking media to cover this, but you probably can find news from that year from local newspapers (I did search the Buenos Aires Times first, with no luck, and the Buenos Aires Herald went down a year before Sergia's rise to prominence, so you'll have to deal with spanish-speaking sourcea).

The trend? I've heard about other men in their late 50s transitioning, and boasting about it as a means to retire at 60. I don't believe it's a massive thing though, as most people don't retire with the minimum age here, as retirement plans are very low.


> be it that she transitioned only because of it or not

If not, then this is not news at all, it’s only a person being harassed by a public mob for their choice and because of other people’s fears and imagination. If not, then this really is an example of a talking point and not an example of anyone at all using gender norms to get out of working. She said she did not transition because of retirement. You assumed Sergia is lying by posting the article as an example of the claim that people are transitioning gender just to mess with other people or avoid work. Do you know for a fact that Sergia is lying? What if she’s telling the truth?

Both articles posted here speculate about the possibility of others wanting to transition for retirement in the future. This hearsay claim you shared about men supposedly talking about it is also speculation. It hasn’t yet happened, right? Even if people are boasting they’re going to, that doesn’t mean they will. So doesn’t this discussion of a trend that hasn’t happened also exemplify the original comment that this is talk and not reality?

BTW why is the retirement age different for men & women in Argentina?


Those are really goood points, I have to admit. I do still believe Sergia transitioned only for retiring early, but I can never be sure.

> BTW why is the retirement age different for men & women in Argentina?

When state/tax backed retirement plans became universal during the 40s, the argument was that, as women raise children and are housewives, they are doing extra-work and should retire earlier.


It's unclear to me what kind of answer you expect. It seems like you're being skeptical of the concept of news itself, except that which one has personally verified.


They're being skeptical of a report that is built on a single account of anonymous hearsay.


It's an article in a newspaper (not The Daily Mail, the Argentinian one) that gives the full name of the person the article is about. It's neither anonymous nor hearsay.


I responded to the Daily Mail link. The two articles are not the same at all. The Daily Mail’s report is both reported by an anonymous “relative”, and as such is in fact hearsay.

Furthermore, both articles acknowledge that 1) Sergia has not requested retirement benefits, 2) This causes fear because nobody else has done it yet 3) Sergia completely denies the unsubstantiated accusation that she changed her gender for retirement reasons. There is zero evidence presented in either article that Sergia’s claims are untrue. Why are you choosing to believe an accusation despite the lack of evidence? And why do you think it’s okay to dox someone publicly before anything has even happened, regardless of their motivation?

The title and the content of the Daily Mail article is pure speculation, not bona fide news in any way, shape or form. You are free to defend sleazy tabloid reporting as news, but that’s on you, not me.

And why does this matter, even if it is true? This one single report doesn’t represent a pattern, and doesn’t prove anything about anyone else. If the best we can do is report on one exaggerated case from South America, that tends to support the idea above that this is largely fear and a talking point, and not a statistical reality.




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