On: The bad news: My $4000 Mac Pro may be killing me

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Nothing of really important: nothing to be happier or more in peace...

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Medicine.

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What kind of medicine: the modern/european/american/... one, or the antique/chinese/naturalistic/... one?

One of them seems to be real science, the other is more similar to religion than to real science.

The most important fact is: only the scientific one is full of adverse effects...

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The one that discovered insulin and penicillin.

The one that has doubled the world average life expectancy over the last century.

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the world average life expectancy [has doubled] over the last century.

Are you referring to the life expectancy for 20-year-olds?

[Edit: I found some data here: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lifexpec.htm http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_09.pdf 20-year-olds do seem to have benefited quite a bit in the first half of the 20th century. I had assumed that life-expectancy was virtually unchanged across the century, except for that of infants and other under-five-year-olds.]

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> The one that has doubled the world average life expectancy over the last century.

Life expectancy has been more or less like nowadays in past, and this for a long time.

Then came the Industrial Revolution (a product of modern science), and it went down to half. Then came modern medicine, and tried to bring it back to where it had already been for a long, long time...

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Please cite. Everything I know about the history of public health and epidemiology tells me you're wrong. I know you want to argue from a position that science is a pox on humanity and religion alone improves life, but you should probably back that up with something.

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Maybe you concentrate too much on Europe, America, and the 'modern world'.

If you look at other people, you see that there have been periods where people lived 100 years and more, and this many many centuries back.

Regarding science and religion: don't you know that the european scientists in past have all been christians? So, science and religion are not opposed to each other, as many modern people think: this is only a recent invention.