Its like they live in a bubble and have no idea that many developers choose Thinkpads not only because of build quality/keyboard but also because those work well with Linux.
Framework[0] is looking more and more attractive as my next machine.
Today, my daughter spilled orange juice on her Framework laptop. I was able to quickly disconnect the battery, unscrew everything and wipe all the juice. Laptop is working fine now, thanks to the Framework design.
A stark contrast with an HP laptop that died after the same daughter spilled sweet tea. There was no option for self-repair. It was possible to open the back lid and save the NVME, and that's pretty much it.
I once had a boss spill a banana smoothie/milkshake on a laptop, did much the same, stripped everything apart, washed everything off and left it to dry overnight before putting everything back together. (I remember not being too careful about it - after all, it was the boss's fault, and they can just get a new one if it's broken).
Surprisingly it all worked fine, apart from one thing... when attending meetings, they would turn the laptop ion at the start, and after about half an hour, someone would usually ask "Can anyone else smell banana?"
(I can't remember the model, but I think it was a small (like 10-12" or so) HP with an extremely slow, awful hard disk, maybe 1.8").
You are misattributing the blame and comparing sugar to oranges. Clearly, orange juice is a much more healthy drink, so spilling it results in less severe damage.
Yes, and even fresh-squeezed orange juice is pretty sugary, not to mention acidic. Maybe if it's super pulpy that could have something to do with slowing down liquid getting into crevices, but I doubt it.
It's a feasible hypothesis. But even if it was sweet tea again and some of the components died, I would have been able to replace them individually ([1]), instead of having to buy the whole new laptop.
Have had four generations of X-series Thinkpads as my daily drivers. Lenovo's build quality and customer service has deteriorated significantly over the years. Now have a 12th gen Framework on order.
I feel like Framework have an opportunity to capitalize on their momentum and build a ridiculously well built "Thinkpad-killer" machine and charge beyond premium for it and many devs would still pay up gladly. Just a hunch.
Nothing against the Framework (it'll likely be my next laptop) but there are plenty of other good Linux options as well now (in general, I don't think Thinkpads have been very good for a while since their battery and keyboards have gotten so much worse and they've switched to partially or fully soldered RAM on most models). There's the HP Dev One if you need a trackpoint, System76 and Star Labs with coreboot, Tuxedo or Slimbook for some really compellingly specced options (the Pulse 15 Gen2 and Slimbook Executive 14 both hit a lot of high-points for iGPU-only computing IMO).
My first laptop was a HP nx6230 - built like a tank with a fabulous keyboard. I really miss such machines. I checked out the Dev One. However, it doesn't seem to offer any configuration options and seems like a take-it-or-leave it pre-config (not sure if that is some location-specific thing).
There could be good reasons to switch from Thinkpad to Framework, but I think this 'issue' isn't one.
It's a setting that can easily be turned off in the BIOS UI. One could argue that this shouldn't be the default (and I would agree), but in practice this is a none issue.
The issue isn't that it can't be dealt with through BIOS; it is that this is not a particular Linux friendly stance to take. Also, if this makes Linux users worry about the things to come, say removal of this setting from BIOS, I don't think that is a completely unfounded fear.
To be fair I only recently switched from a T420 to a T480s and the build quality, especially the keyboard just feels a lot less great. Pretty sure they aren't MIL standard anymore either. Linux however still is no issue.
I bought one recently. First time in years I spent anything over 200 on a laptop (usually refurbish).
It's great in many ways but I just am very disappointed in the keyboard. It's really a lot less nice than the Thinkpad keyboards (even the new models). I wouldn't dream of buying Lenovo though.
I think they are great (I am using Pop!_OS currently). However, I think Framework jumped ahead of them with the modular port expansion cards and open design.
Considering Framework seem to be in tune with general developer sentiment, I'm hoping they spot the interest in AMD/Ryzen platform and expand their product line. Hopefully it is just a supply chain problem that is eventually solved.
While I share your optimism I doubt it’s just a supply chain issue. It’s entirely different board design, different thermal requirements, power draw, chipset, etc. Browse their community site for more context.. plenty of discussion on the topic.
No way, i thought laptop manufacturers were running a charity!
"...these anti consumer things." except AFAIK it's because of Thunderbolt and docking. Yes, USB 4 is a thing, but it has some differences.
Framework[0] is looking more and more attractive as my next machine.
[0]: https://frame.work/