Draw the line at 41 weeks. I don't care about your nonsense hypothetical. Bring me a real scenario. One singular example of an abortion at 39 weeks where the mother didn't want the baby. I guarantee you can't actually find one even though you claim it exists
Hypotheticals are a waste of time, bring an actual example or stop wasting my time
The mother takes priority up until that baby is breathing on its own. Always
And we wonder why the anti choice crowd is seen as mother killers
I don't care about hypotheticals that have no basis in reality just like I don't give a shit about what the founding fathers thought, who were rapist-racist-sexist-slave owners who didn't want blacks, women, or poor people to have any say. Yea the document written by them is flawless lol sure. The constitution is out dated but the clowns in government make too much money off it and keep us peasants fighting about pointless shit like abortion while they loot the country
I love how you just ignored the rest of my statement and can't bring up that example that you just know exists. Get off that clown shit and show me a real example
So where is it? These examples of abortions where the mother didn't want it at 39 weeks
Dr Kermit Gosnell performed a number of elective abortions that late in term, and we only know about those because he was dumb enough to get caught killing a few after delivery.
Your example is a literal serial killer? Oh come on. He was inducing birth in order to kill babies outside of the uterus
>owned and operated the Women's Medical Society Clinic, a non-compliant abortion clinic
>Gosnell was convicted of the murders of three infants who were born alive after using drugs to induce birth, was convicted of manslaughter in connection with the death of one woman during an abortion procedure, and was convicted of several other medically related crimes.[3][4][5][6][7]
This dude should never have been a doctor in the first place and this is your shining example? Brilliant
>2011, Gosnell, his wife Pearl, and eight employees were charged with a total of 32 felonies and 227 misdemeanors in connection with deaths, illegal medical services, and regulatory violations.
He didn't go to prison for the 39 week abortions, he went to prison for the 41 week abortions, you know - the ones you were in favor of.
You said it never happens, but it does. Most doctors that offer the late term abortions don't get in trouble because they're not as sloppy as him.
So the question remains, the one you refuse to answer - why would we not restrict ELECTIVE abortions after a certain point in a pregnancy? What is the argument against that? Nobody is arguing against it if they're medically necessary, I'm asking specifically about elective abortions beyond the point of viability. That's it. That's where the breakdown occurs for most people.
>211 counts of violating Pennsylvania's 24-hour informed consent law
Sounds to me like he patients were not aware of what he was doing
And he was doing a hell of a lot more than just abortions
>The DEA, The FBI, and the Office of the Inspector General also sought a 23-count indictment charging Gosnell and seven members of his former staff with drug conspiracy relating to the practice's illegally prescribing highly-addictive painkillers and sedatives outside the usual course of professional practice and not for a legitimate medical purpose.
So again, you pick out one guy who should not have been a physician who did not inform his patient of what he was doing
And this detail is pretty important, these were not abortions but murders after birth
>They arise because of the "born alive rule", a principle of common law which stipulates that by default, for legal purposes, personhood arises – and therefore unlawful killing constituting murder becomes possible – immediately upon the victim's being born alive
Pointing this guy out is like pointing out that old veteran who's like 110 years old and smokes and drinks every day and claiming nobody gets cancer from smoking and drinking
You are aware that murder, killing people who are already born, is already illegal? These examples were not abortions, plain and simple
>You are aware that murder, killing people who are already born, is already illegal? These examples were not abortions, plain and simple
Only the "41 week old abortions" were treated as murder, the 39 week old ones weren't. My question is - what's the difference? In your mind, how do you justify a 39 week old elective abortion?
And now you're playing the fools game by engaging with the Gosnell nonsense, giving angry debate about "shocking" things that they have changed the topic too.
Not only is it derailing of a serious issue, it is deliberately visceral, disturbing, which makes it harder to debate logically about. Standard tactic: wind them up so they don't notice the inconsistencies.
Thank you for being a voice of reason. You're right, I shouldn't engage that nonsense but I got sucked in. I don't know what we can do about people spreading such FUD
Sadly that account has a track record of repeating their inflammatory talking points. Even after they are debunked, they just move an and try it on someone else again.
It's called Intact Dilation & Extraction, and is absolutely a type of abortion.
And you still haven't answered - what is your logic for not having a problem with a 36, 37, 38 week etc elective abortion? What is the argument for allowing them?
Which is exactly why I responded the way that I did. Dude is spouting nonsense saying examples exist. They are making claims and when I ask for citations they shout about infanticide. It's disingenuous bullshit designed to distract
That's also why the poster didn't respond to the person who commented about Beto. They have no real response, position, or evidence. Their only position is fake outrage at something that doesn't exist in reality
Hypotheticals are a waste of time, bring an actual example or stop wasting my time
The mother takes priority up until that baby is breathing on its own. Always