I have notice trend of non-westeners to treat Ukrainians, Eastern Europeans and Central Europeans as disposable. Neither opinions nor interests of those matter to you. I have noticed that you are quickest to spread Russian lies. The whole region is just potential resource to you, these countries nor people in them matter to you. In your worldview, the whole region should put up and shut up so that you can blame countries you dislike for ... to avoid blaming country like Russia.
> are familiar with the divide-and-rule tactics of the superpowers since colonial times
For those of us who know who pushes for what, Poland and Estonia are much stronger pushing then US and UK. The strongest one however, is Ukraine itself. It is not true that UK would be particularly strong. Besides, colonial times are still here - Russia is the colonial power as it was majority of its history.
Divide what? Who exactly is being divided here? Countries who were occupied by Russia are divided from former occupier who would like to occupy them again? Yes, this war shows Europe in fact needs NATO and in particular needs US in NATO. Russia can be stopped and must be stopped. Russians are not gods, they are just violent autocratic regime they always were.
> geostrategic aims in Ukraine to contain NATO goals against it.
This part is a lie, simply. Even Russia stopped using this talking point. There is enough rhetoric from Russia about Ukraine not being real state or real nation. They would not need to kill al those Ukrainians, would not need to replace Ukrainian language, teachers and books. Anything but puppet state, any democratic reforms in Ukraine are treated as threat to Russia. Just like democratic reforms in Belarus would be treated as threat. The NATO itself is threat only as far as it prevents Russia to invade.
> And the US and UK will make sure that Russia bleeds as much as possible during this process. The reality is that nobody gives a damn about Ukraine.
You do not care about them, that is for sure. You would give them to Russia, so that they can finish the genocide there - again. US do actually helps Ukraine more then your lies.
> The whole region is just potential resource to you, these countries nor people in them matter to you.
Yes, that is exactly how the superpowers view you and us (India). That is why good politicians ensure that their country doesn't get caught in the ambitions and competitions of these superpowers. (That is why India and other like minded countries started the Non-Aligned Movement - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement ). Ukraine is an ideal candidate for NAM because the world powers have geostrategic interest in them. But unfortunately Ukraine's shitty and selfish politicians lack experience or vision - one sought to side with the Russian and the other decided to side with the west. Both have placed their own selfish and partisan political interest over that of their country. That is why the rest of the world doesn't really respect them and views them both as puppets of either side. This is important to understand - if Ukranian politicians are viewed as puppets of Russia or the west and seek some help from other nations, every nation has to necessarily think twice or thrice on whether this is being asked on behalf of Ukraine or the respective puppet-master (Russia or US / UK). Remember, most nations don't want to get dragged between the super powers. This is why Ukraine has been suffering with political turmoil for more than a decade now. Genuine support for Ukraine will only pour in when Ukraine has serious politicians that care more about their country than their own political interests - not when one Ukrainian leader is camped with Russia and another with NATO. That is a problem Ukraine has to solve. If your own politicians don't talk to each other, you are a nation divided.
> Divide what? Who exactly is being divided here?
Divide and rule is an old colonial political practice of weakening your opponent by creating divisions in them so that they get bogged down fighting each other. In India, for example, the British tried to keep us from uniting politically against them by pitting Hindus against muslims or upper caste against lower castes (i.e. they sought to widen the political divisions in our society). Gandhi's greatest success was in preventing this and uniting us despite our divisions.
In modern times, the US and allies use their economic and military might to create situations so that potential rivals do not unite and become stronger - like pitting Saudi Arabia against Iran or Israel against the Arabs in the middle-east or pitting India, Pakistan, China, Russia, Japan, Korea in Asia, or pitting the countries in South America or Africa. To a lesser extent (lesser because the US needs them) this also happens in Europe by pitting France, Germany, UK but for now it is more focused on pitting Europe against Russia. If the US and UK manage to create another bloc in Europe comprising of central european and Balkan countries, it would really weaken EU too (that would imply there are serious differences between Germany and France vs UK and US on how to deal with the Russians).
NAM doesn't work against an air power of 1700+ missiles launched at your territory. Like it or not, Ukraine with its standing army and modern military equipment will be among the most powerful European countries at the end of this war and Russia will be confined and likely go through internal breakup processes.
Ukraine has been fighting Russia for 400+ years. It has a long history of revolutions against Russia's puppets. Zelenskyy is anything but a puppet. You can listen to his speeches. https://www.youtube.com/user/PresidentGovUa/featured (with English subtitles). Ukraine simply wants to join the EU and NATO. Russia does not want that. That's the reason for this war. And now Ukraine is very likely to attain EU candidate status this month. EU is actively supporting Ukraine in its accession bid.
If Ukraine had any smart politicians who really understood what NAM did, neither superpower would be launching missiles on Ukraine. Neither NAM nor UN makes a difference if one does not have experienced politicians who genuinely care about their countrymen.
From what I have read about independent Ukraine's short political history, only Leonid Kuchma stands out as the smartest Ukranian politician so far. He seemed to understand an important political axiom that all good politicians abide by - there are no permanent enemies, only future opponents and allies. That's why he worked to develop a good relationship with Russia as well as improve ties with the west. He understood the importance of not getting caught between the egos of the superpowers while also using their rivalry for Ukraine's benefit, without antagonising both. That is how he managed to create a stable economic climate to initiate economic growth and reform for a brief period.
After him, Ukraine just seems to have had a string of shitty politicians - some who didn't know how to manage foreign powers interfering in their domestic politics and some who were willing to sacrifice their country's interest and work with foreign powers to be in political power at any cost.
> Ukraine with its standing army and modern military equipment will be among the most powerful European countries at the end of this war
It is very naive of you to believe that UK, France or Germany will allow that.
So India is ok with selling us to Russia, is ok with supporting genocide and somehow wants me to see it as something positive?
You are as cynical as Russia. You don't get to blame countries that provide humanitarian support and arms to victims for what country you supports started. You don't respect Ukrainians, because you want then to submit to Russia. And you would then looked down on them and called them disloyal Russians anyway.
You are on the side of genocide. You don't get to call Ukrainian politicians shitty with much much worst politics you support.
Feel free to move to Russia. Feel free to see pleasures of being ruled by country like that
I will add that this is not the first genocide in Ukraine by Russians. This is not first time Russia went out of their way to kill thousands of innocent people. Russia was among the most brutal feudal systems, among the kost brutal in wars after that too.
Their victims count millions and they again celebrate Stalin. Only proper analogy is would be Germans celebrating Hitler. Yes Hitler killed more people, but him and Stalin they were about the same ethical.
That is who you support while talking about Ghandi.
I have notice trend of non-westeners to treat Ukrainians, Eastern Europeans and Central Europeans as disposable. Neither opinions nor interests of those matter to you. I have noticed that you are quickest to spread Russian lies. The whole region is just potential resource to you, these countries nor people in them matter to you. In your worldview, the whole region should put up and shut up so that you can blame countries you dislike for ... to avoid blaming country like Russia.
> are familiar with the divide-and-rule tactics of the superpowers since colonial times
For those of us who know who pushes for what, Poland and Estonia are much stronger pushing then US and UK. The strongest one however, is Ukraine itself. It is not true that UK would be particularly strong. Besides, colonial times are still here - Russia is the colonial power as it was majority of its history.
Divide what? Who exactly is being divided here? Countries who were occupied by Russia are divided from former occupier who would like to occupy them again? Yes, this war shows Europe in fact needs NATO and in particular needs US in NATO. Russia can be stopped and must be stopped. Russians are not gods, they are just violent autocratic regime they always were.
> geostrategic aims in Ukraine to contain NATO goals against it.
This part is a lie, simply. Even Russia stopped using this talking point. There is enough rhetoric from Russia about Ukraine not being real state or real nation. They would not need to kill al those Ukrainians, would not need to replace Ukrainian language, teachers and books. Anything but puppet state, any democratic reforms in Ukraine are treated as threat to Russia. Just like democratic reforms in Belarus would be treated as threat. The NATO itself is threat only as far as it prevents Russia to invade.
> And the US and UK will make sure that Russia bleeds as much as possible during this process. The reality is that nobody gives a damn about Ukraine.
You do not care about them, that is for sure. You would give them to Russia, so that they can finish the genocide there - again. US do actually helps Ukraine more then your lies.